CNC FIRE!!!!

chris_goris

Chris
Senior User
OK, now that I have everyones attention let me tell you what happened. I clamped a glued up table top to my CNC to flatten it. I routinely do this after glue up because its no handling of a large top to flatten after gluing. I use a 2" diameter shell type cutter (or a fly cutter) to accomplish this. I create a simple pocketing tool path slightly larger than the workpiece and take very shallow passes until Ive flattened the entire surface. typically, running the same program stepping it deeper into the material until Ive cleaned up the entire face. all the while, I have a dust boot over the cutter head with dust collection running. The top I was running was running was made of aspen. Aspen is considered a soft wood and tends to get stringy when machining it. The dust boot is just a sheetmetal box that encloses a cavity over the cutter that has brushes that crush to the mating material to create a vacuum seal. Tonight, on my second pass, unbeknownst to me, the stringy material was building up under the dust boot around the cutter starting getting tangled in the brushes. As I was watching it run, I suddenly noticed a spark fly up the DC hose (4" corrugated semi clear hose) , then before I could react, the hose was glowing orange for about 12" up inside!!!!. I slammed the E stop button the CNC and was scrambling for my DC remote control, which was in my pocket to shut it off. The dust boot has a hinged door you can open to inspect and I opened it before the DC had even begun to spin down and saw flames being fanned by the DC air so I pulled the hose off the boot and it went out, but now I was unsure as to how much burning material could have possibly made it to my DC in the next room. Scrambling over there, disconnecting the barrel and the saw dust bag from below the filter, I did have some very hot saw dust in the main bin, but nothing on fire or glowing thankfully. This all transpired within probably 30 seconds time. It happens fast and scares you after the fact when you can imagine the what ifs. I do know I need more than one fire extinguisher, it was way at the other end of the shop 70 plus feet away through a gauntlet of tools, lumber and projects to get to. Stay safe my friends!
 

kserdar

Ken
Senior User
I was recently surfacing some Hickory on my CNC and also noticed the stringing. I was using a much smaller bit at 90% step over. I spent a lot of time pulling the string material out of the dust shoe.
After what happened to you .. maybe it was time well spent.
 

JNCarr

Joe
Corporate Member
Thanks much for the story.
It re-emphasizes the need to stay with and watch the tool even when doing "mundane" tasks - something I'm guilty of not doing on occasion.
Glad you caught it in time.
 

Bear Republic

Steve
Corporate Member
Eye opening story! Lots of things to think about from CNC isn't start and forget to putting additional extinguishers in places with flammable materials like the DC. Probably took a while before your heart rate was back to normal!
 

drw

Donn
Corporate Member
You hear the phrase "expect the unexpected" and the situation you described is certainly unexpected! I am so glad you discovered the problem before it became a major issue.
 

Wilsoncb

Williemakeit
Corporate Member
Wow, good thing you were paying attention! Also lucky you have a DC hose you could see through (verses pvc or galvanized).
 

JGregJ

Greg
User
Wondering if making the CNC dust boot out of a clear material so you can see it getting clogged up would help.
 

woodlaker2

Ray
Corporate Member
Scary indeed. Having had a recent electrical fire (incoming main stud arc with loose wire connection) in my breaker box) these things can and do happen even with the best vigilance). Glad things turned out well for you. And thanks for getting this thread going.
 

kserdar

Ken
Senior User
Wondering if making the CNC dust boot out of a clear material so you can see it getting clogged up would help.
Might help, but it just makes more sense when running larger cutters to just go without.
My dust shoe top is clear acrylic and I could not see the stringing inside the shoe.
Maybe since I was cutting Hickory and the pieces where fairly stiff and wanted to stick completely outside the shoe.
 

chris_goris

Chris
Senior User
Scary indeed. Having had a recent electrical fire (incoming main stud arc with loose wire connection) in my breaker box) these things can and do happen even with the best vigilance). Glad things turned out well for you. And thanks for getting this thread going.
Youre right Ray, I dont remember any threads on here about fire safety in the shop. I hadnt really given it much/any thought to this point.
 

chris_goris

Chris
Senior User
My dust shoe top is clear acrylic and I could not see the stringing inside the shoe.
Maybe since I was cutting Hickory and the pieces where fairly stiff and wanted to stick completely outside the shoe.
As I mentioned earlier... no more dust shoe when planing!
 

iclark

Ivan
User
Youre right Ray, I dont remember any threads on here about fire safety in the shop. I hadnt really given it much/any thought to this point.
Shop fire threads seem to usually be about self-combustion of finishing rags. This is the first that I have seen about fire in a CNC. Thank you for sharing and I am very glad that things worked out well for you.
 

chris_goris

Chris
Senior User
Shop fire threads seem to usually be about self-combustion of finishing rags. This is the first that I have seen about fire in a CNC. Thank you for sharing and I am very glad that things worked out well for you.
Thanks Ivan! I actually know another person this had happened to but we had never discussed it, nor had I heard of ti until it happened to me. His was basically the same scenario.
 

riggsp

Phil
Corporate Member

I didn't want to overtake the post, but this needs to be seen by anyone with a CNC router that thinks it's ok to "let it run" without keeping an eye on what's going on...this is just 6 minutes into the cut.

NEVER walk away from it!
 

zargon

Zargon
Corporate Member
Costco has a two pack of extinguishers. Might want to get a couple. 😎👍.
Good you were right there to keep it from escalating. 😱🥵🫣👍👍👍👍
 

riggsp

Phil
Corporate Member
Wasn't mine...The maker of this video is an acquaintance of mine and is a CNC machine developer...he shows that video at seminars he does.
 

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