Tulip Poplar..

[Kyle]

Just an interesting tidbit I learned this week.

Tulip Poplar (Liriodendron tulipifera) is a close member of the MAGNOLIA family.. and not really a true poplar.True poplar are aspens and cottonwoods. Poplar is in the Magnoliaceae family and aspens and cottonwoods in the Salicaceae family.

I always wondered why the modified cone looks a lot like the magnolia and the wood grain is similar although the bark is very different.


anyway.. back to your regularly scheduled programming.

 

[NCPete]

yup, and I blew a shot at a piece of one that was taken down in my M-I-L's yard about two years ago. would have been some great turning blanks in there - course I still don't have a lathe, so....

 

[sapwood]

:eusa_thin Verrrry interesting!
I can see the common characteristics, but how can one be an evergreen?
At least I've always considered Magnolia's to be evergreens.

Roger

 

[Mike Davis]

There are evergreen oaks, so it makes sense to me.

 

[DaveO]

Actually Roger, many plants in the Magnoliaceae family are not evergreen. The few that come to my mind readily are Sweetbay Magnolia, and Saucer Magnolia.
What's most interesting is the nomenclature of organisms. You start with a Kingdom which defines it as a plant or animal. The you have a Division and in the case of plants, defines it as flowering or not. Then you have Class, & Order which defines very minute differences in flowering structure. The you have the Family which is the level that is being referenced. The family level is very diverse. For example in the Solanaceae family you have Tomatoes, Peppers, Jimsonweed (a highly hallucinogenic plant group), Tobacco, Petunia, and Potatoes as a small sampling.
Then you get to the groupings that really define what the plant is on our level, Genus and Species.
Nomenclature is a very precise subject and very interesting (to me, at least) The most interesting thing to me is that the proper nomenclature, in Latin, is the only way to globally define an organism. I don't care what language is spoken a Metasequoia glyptostroboides will always be a Giant Redwood tree. And is in the same family as Juniper, Cypress, and Thuja (Arborvitae).

Someone tell me to shut up :tongue100:

Dave

 

[Mike Davis]

Jimsonweed (a highly hallucinogenic plant group),

Someone tell me to shut up :tongue100:

Dave

I didn't find it to be that much. I guess it must take lots of it. The South Western Indians had much better plant matter. :crossedlips:

 

[Woodman2k]

Boy Dave,
you were well on the way to somewhere:dontknow: and well,that was a nice recovery at the end.Joking aside,very informative .I did not know that about the tomato/tobacco/potato deal.Do any of those have an E?
Thanx,Greg B

 

[jeff...]

Actually Roger, many plants in the Magnoliaceae family are not evergreen. The few that come to my mind readily are Sweetbay Magnolia, and Saucer Magnolia.
What's most interesting is the nomenclature of organisms. You start with a Kingdom which defines it as a plant or animal. The you have a Division and in the case of plants, defines it as flowering or not. Then you have Class, & Order which defines very minute differences in flowering structure. The you have the Family which is the level that is being referenced. The family level is very diverse. For example in the Solanaceae family you have Tomatoes, Peppers, Jimsonweed (a highly hallucinogenic plant group), Tobacco, Petunia, and Potatoes as a small sampling.
Then you get to the groupings that really define what the plant is on our level, Genus and Species.
Nomenclature is a very precise subject and very interesting (to me, at least) The most interesting thing to me is that the proper nomenclature, in Latin, is the only way to globally define an organism. I don't care what language is spoken a Metasequoia glyptostroboides will always be a Giant Redwood tree. And is in the same family as Juniper, Cypress, and Thuja (Arborvitae).

Someone tell me to shut up :tongue100:

Dave

Yeah I hear you - but you forgot to add the freaks of nature "hybrids" like leland cypress for example.

 

[DaveO]

I didn't find it to be that much. I guess it must take lots of it. The South Western Indians had much better plant matter. :crossedlips:

Jimsonweed, more specifically Datura spp. also know as Nightshade contains Tropane alkaloids specifically and most common Atropine. The line between it's true hallucinogenic properties and poisoning is very fine.
Atropine produces true hallucinations that are indistinguishable from reality, unlike Psilocybin and LSD which are purely sensory hallucinations. Very similar to Peyote/Mescal, although the alkaloid compound Mescaline, is quite different in make up, it's effect are quite similar.

...Or so I have read

Dave

 

[DaveO]

I did not know that about the tomato/tobacco/potato deal.Do any of those have an E?
Thanx,Greg B

Only when plural :icon_thum

Dave

 

[Bas]

Someone tell me to shut up

Now why would anyone want to do that? (a) this is great stuff Dave, keep that info coming! :icon_thum (b) it wouldn't do any good anyway

The Latin names always look complicated, but they're very logical and organized. Once you get used to them, it's a lot easier to figure out what something is from the Latin name than the English name.

Heck, I always thought Tulip Poplar was called that because it was a Dutch tree :eusa_doh:

 

[DaveO]

Now why would anyone want to do that? (a) this is great stuff Dave, keep that info coming! :icon_thum (b) it wouldn't do any good anyway Very true!!

The Latin names always look complicated, but they're very logical and organized. Once you get used to them, it's a lot easier to figure out what something is from the Latin name than the English name.

Heck, I always thought Tulip Poplar was called that because it was a Dutch tree :eusa_doh:

The Dutch might be the Masters of the Tulip, but they ain't that Poplar :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Dave

 

[redhawknc1]

Certainly makes good honey! I've got 7 hives justa waiting on it to bloom! Biggest spring nectar flow for beekeepers!

 

[NCPete]

Atropine, and 2-Pam Chloride - ingredients in every soldiers NAAK (nerve agent antidote kit) hmmmm, didn't know the halucinogenic properties of the atropine - guess using the protective mask (NAK's are stored there in an auto-injection kit) as a pillow really was a bad idea??

 

[Mike Davis]

Dave,

My information is from 30 years ago and probably a little hazy. :icon_scra

 

[Kyle]

Atropine, and 2-Pam Chloride - ingredients in every soldiers NAAK (nerve agent antidote kit) hmmmm, didn't know the halucinogenic properties of the atropine - guess using the protective mask (NAK's are stored there in an auto-injection kit) as a pillow really was a bad idea??

its also an antidote to organophosphate poisoning (remember that from my anatomy and phys classes years ago) fights S.L.U.D.G.E. Salivation, Lacrimation,Urination, Defecation, Gastrointestinal motility and Emesis.

 

[NCPete]

um, Kyle, way too many words to look up there. They didn't use big words like that to tell us it could keep Sarin and other agents from killing us.

 

[LeftyTom]

Jimsonweed, more specifically Datura spp. also know as Nightshade contains Tropane alkaloids specifically and most common Atropine. The line between it's true hallucinogenic properties and poisoning is very fine.
Atropine produces true hallucinations that are indistinguishable from reality, unlike Psilocybin and LSD which are purely sensory hallucinations. Very similar to Peyote/Mescal, although the alkaloid compound Mescaline, is quite different in make up, it's effect are quite similar.

...Or so I have read

Dave

:wink_smil Yo, Dave, got any left over? :slap:

 

[sapwood]

There are evergreen oaks, so it makes sense to me.

Now, that makes sense :thumbsup:


I learned about the positive/negative effects of atropine in a Chemical and Biological Warfare course while in the Marines. However, I don't think I could have jabbed one of those needles in my leg under any circumstance :confused_ Most of our equipment was left over from the Spanish/American War of 1898 :laughing7

Roger

 

[Will Goodwin]

Dave you been holding out on me... I thought you just knew a lot about turning pens :rolf:! I thought I was doing good to remember the saying we used to remember the classifications:

Kings - Kingdom
Play - Phylum
Chess - Class
On - Order
Fine - Family
Grain - Genus
Sand - Species

That was from High School Biology. I have a book that I picked up somewhere that has a lot of Botanical names in it. Manual of Cultivated Plants. I don't open it very often, but you made me want to go crack it open.