Mold or something else?

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dave

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Dave
Last year my folks had a couple trees cut down and I had someone mill them for me. I sealed the ends but that's all. After a couple months, I noticed the discoloration you can see in the picture. First guess is it's mold of some kind. That the case or is this something else?

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CrealBilly

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Jeff
Last year my folks had a couple trees cut down and I had someone mill them for me. I sealed the ends but that's all. After a couple months, I noticed the discoloration you can see in the picture. First guess is it's mold of some kind. That the case or is this something else?

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Your right its called blue staining and i believe is a sort of fungi or mold but IDK for sure. It happens during high humidity and or not enough air flow through the stack when drying. It may only be surface deep and can usually be eliminated completely with bleach.
 

dave

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It's oak and it was milled and stacked for drying the same day back in May. I also have a small amount of maple this is present on too. I can take a couple more pics if it might help see it better.
 

dave

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Dave
After reading the article you linked to Jeff, I tried rubbing and scraping the "mold" and it didn't smear or come off so it does appear to be blue stain. Thanks for the everyone!
 

scsmith42

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Scott Smith
Oak usually does not blue stain, but it will mold if it is dry stacked green or stickered in a location where it does not get fresh air flow.

Can you post a photo showing the side of the wood stack and the environment that it is located in?
 
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dave

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Dave
There's a photo is another thread I posted.

http://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58869

The pallets and other items are usually not sitting around like they are in the photo. We've been cleaning up/rearranging a few things and stuff was moved under the lean-to while this is going on.

It was green, but I didn't air flow would be a problem. We butt up next to a field and with no trees around, we have nothing restricting the wind.
 

scsmith42

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Scott Smith
There's a photo is another thread I posted.

http://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58869

The pallets and other items are usually not sitting around like they are in the photo. We've been cleaning up/rearranging a few things and stuff was moved under the lean-to while this is going on.

It was green, but I didn't air flow would be a problem. We butt up next to a field and with no trees around, we have nothing restricting the wind.

Hi Dave. Actually, you do have something restricting air flow, and that is the building that is adjacent to your stickered stacks. Additionally you have a second stack of lumber placed immediately adjacent to your taller stack, which is also restricting airflow. The good news is that you can easily resolve your problem simply by restacking the lumber.

Your mold is a surface mold (that sometimes can go deep into the lumber) that is developing due to lack of airflow.

The drying rate of lumber is influenced by three factors; temperature, relative humidity, and airflow. Drying does not occur much below 50 degrees, but surprisingly lumber will dry even in RH% as high as 95% provided that it has adequate air flow.

When you air dry lumber, if at all possible you need to align your stacks so that there are no obstructions along the "long side" of the stacks, as that is the direction that air will flow through them. In your photo, the long side of the stacks are aligned parallel with the wall of the building, and only placed a few inches away. Air flow is negatively impacted because of the restrictions on the exit side of the stack (ie - the building wall).

If you have no choice but to stack lumber with the long side adjacent to an obstruction, then as a rule you need the stack to be at least as far away from the building as the sum total of all of the stickers. Let's say that you have a stickered pile of boards that are 20 layers thick, and utilize 1" thick stickers. That means that you need to have the stack at least 20" away from the closest obstruction (and even this is not ideal).

To resolve your drying problem, reorientate your stacks so that the long side of the boards run perpendicular to the building, with no obstructions on either side of the stack. It is better to make your stack higher than to place two shorter stacks adjacent to one another (unless they are end to end), as the adjacent stacks will also restrict airflow.
 

dave

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Thanks Scott! I didn't realize having the stacks close together or close to the building would have a negative impact. It's the first time I'd gotten my hands on green lumber to dry myself.

Fortunately, I'm very close to getting a small tractor, so I will be able to move these without too much problem.
 
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