!!!Udated W Photos!!! Woodie Worms

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michaelgarner

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Michael
:help: I was given a couple of old wooden hand planes that had been stored for a very long time. a jointer, a shoulder plane, and a round, they all have some signs of wood worm/powder post beetle. The shoulder plane is the worst. I want to rehabilitate them (pic of them coming later) but what is a good way to treat the wood now. I am looking for homemade remedy's at this point. (i don't have a lot of resources at this point) Thats if they still have post beetles/larva in them.

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On the shoulder plane you can see part of the wood that is a lighter color, I cleaned that side off with some automotive hand cleaner and 0000 SteelWool. That part is actuall a lamitated side that came off durring handeling (Glue failure) the other side is missing as well. The bottom of the shoulder plane needs to be replaced so I am going to make new sides and a bottom out of some hardmaple. Also that piece was the test peice that went into the oven for 12hrs at 170 degrees. I plan on getting these tools back into operation this weekend/next week. I will keep you posted. Have a blessed day friends.

(DaveO thanks for the tutorial for posting pics :icon_thum)
So will heat treat them? (low/moderate heat in an oven)
Will cold kill them? Put them in a freezer?
Seal the wood with a finish? (will this kill them if there are any left?)

From what I understand a German lady passed away a couple years ago and these tools were found in her garage. Before she passed she told a family story that the tools were her fathers who was a trained cabinet maker here in Germany and he passed away when she was a young woman. She was in her 20's when he passed away, she passed away at 89 years. So depending on when her father acquired the tools they could be 70-90 years old. The shoulder plane is going to need a couple new parts and a new sole.

In doing this I think of the craftsman that held them before me, his life, the things he may have created. I don't want to take away from the tools in anyway, I will restore them only to the point of them working properly, and not deteriorating further. I can only hope that in a hundred years from now when a young craftsman comes across a couple of my tools he would do the same.

Also whats a good way to clean up the planes without sandpaper? I am thinking 0000 steel wool with some type of cleaner, maybe denatured (Spelling?) alcohol? As always thanks for your help friends and have a blessed day.
 

JimmyC

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Michael,
I know that 130 degrees for a couple of days (attic in the summer) will kill them, but I don't know about freezing them.

Good Luck.
 

michaelgarner

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Michael
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I found this information. Do you think it would hurt to place then in the oven? This was a reply from a professor.

Treating wood worm infestations


How to arrest an infestation of wood worms before they migrate to other furniture. 1998.

by Professor Gene Wengert
Q.
I have several antique clocks that are constructed of different kinds of wood. All were purchased in Europe. Several are infested with Wood Worms. In Europe I was able to purchase a product called "Holz Worm" that treated the wood and killed the pests. It was applied liberally with a brush. I have been unable to find a similar product here in the states. Do you know of, or have an idea where I can find, a similar product?
A.
We do not have an environmentally approved product to do what you want. Further, the product does not kill the worms in the wood (it does not penetrate into the wood), it merely kills the worms (beetles) as they leave the wood. As a result, there will be no re-infestation. The easiest way to get rid of the bugs is to heat the wood to about 140 F for 24 hours. This kills the insects, the eggs, the larva, etc. The wood could also be fumigated professionally. (As the holes you see are exit holes, the bugs are leaving the clock and usually won't return--they will go into some other piece of hardwood and show up two years later.....you need to take action now.) Professor Gene Wengert is Extension Specialist in Wood Processing at the Department of Forestry, University of Wisconsin-Madison.

My main concern is that there are no more Lava in the planes and further damaging them.
 

JimmyC

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Jimmy
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I honestly don't think it would hurt putting them in an oven at 140 degrees f for twenty four hours. They kick kilns up to 140 to sterilize so I doubt this would be any different. But, do you have the capability to keep it controlled for that long ?
 

michaelgarner

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JimmyC,
I was just thinking of just putting it in the oven at round 145 for 24hrs. I was thining of kicking it up the extra 5 degrees due to it being an oven. I honeslty dont think that there is any larva left in the old tools. I just want to make sure that all is well with them before I go through the process of refurbing them.
 
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McRabbet

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Michael,

I've read elsewhere (and can't remember specifically) that an oven will work, but I would be very certain that the temperature was stable at the 140-145 level before I put the tools in to avoid higher temperature damage to the wood and finish. I'd find an accurate thermometer suitable for these temperatures and get the readings first. Then keep the tools in the oven for at least 24 hours as the heat needs to get in to the interior.
 

JimmyC

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Jimmy
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Yeah, the only problem that I see is in the quality control of keeping the temperature steady. We wouldn't want to see it go high:no:.
 

JimmyC

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Jimmy
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On another thought Michael, Food hydrators go up to 155 degrees using a thermostat to control the temp. Or you could probably make a hot box for the planes from an inexpensive throw away foam cooler with a light bulb in it. I don't know what watt bulb you would use, and you would have to make sure that it wasn't hot enough to either melt or catch the foam on fire, but it should work, and the price is right.

good Luck.
 

michaelgarner

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Michael
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Ya I just realized that my oven only goes down to 170 degrees, thats quite a bit more than needed, and I'm afraid of cooking the wood. I will have to find an alternate way of getting it done. I have pics and will post them tomorrow. Knowing the background of the tools I want to save them. The cooler and light fixture may work, I will have to see what I can do to make that happen. Thanks for the help everyone and if you have any more suggestions let me know. I have this Saturday free and I really want to work on them this weekend.

On another note, is there a math Genius out there that could compare the temperatures of 140 degrees for 24hrs to 170 degrees for ???Hrs. If the temperature is increased then I should logically be able to shorten the time in the oven and might be able to still use the oven? Thanks again folks and have a blessed day.
 

michaelgarner

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Michael
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I took the chance and put a piece of one of the old hand tools in the oven for 12hrs at 170 degrees. Nothing happened to it so I am going to put all of them in there this weekend and treat them. Hopefully everything will be ok.
 

NCTurner

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Michael,

Just a suggestion: DO NOT put them all in the oven at the same time, in case something does go amiss. DAMHIKT
 

michaelgarner

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Michael
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Michael,

Just a suggestion: DO NOT put them all in the oven at the same time, in case something does go amiss. DAMHIKT

yup sounds like good guidance to me, thanks for putting me back on track. I was sitting here thinking of how to make all of them fit on shelves and stuff. :icon_thum
 
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