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    Re: Upside To Polar Vortex

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil S View Post
    I can only do what one person can do. I read both sides and I conclude that the vast majority of the scientist have it right - the earth is warming due in part to humans. So I do my best to stop doing what they say is contributing to the problem - I do not understand why anybody would not, it just makes sense to do ones best to protect this earth and leave it better than you found it.

    I compost virtually all the household waste and recycle almost everything else.
    I only buy products in recyclable or refillable containers
    I return products sent to me if sent in styrofoam peanuts
    I will not buy any food served or delivered in styrofoam
    I support numerous environmental defense funds
    I support numerous environmental educational groups
    I support numerous clean energy groups - offshore wind is a favorite
    I have significantly reduced my dependance on fossil fuels and will go electric or hydrogen ASAP
    I attempt not to buy any products made in polluting countries
    And yes I do listen to NPR

    So now what are you doing ??
    Phil, that is a nice effort. Realistically awareness is probably the best cause of action, but personally I believe the human race in our time will not remedy the situation. We will not see the consequences either, but our grand children certainly will pay the price.

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    Re: Upside To Polar Vortex

    We should politicize all science and engineering. Before building a bridge we ask Frank down at the carwash what he thinks. Well get Carl over at Food Lion to give us a hand with the next satellite launch, and Mary is a nurse but has big opinions about electrical and building codes. I mean skill and education mean nothing these days, Ana White is just as good a designer as Maloof.

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    Re: Upside To Polar Vortex

    Quote Originally Posted by Rick M View Post
    We should politicize all science and engineering. Before building a bridge we ask Frank down at the carwash what he thinks. Well get Carl over at Food Lion to give us a hand with the next satellite launch, and Mary is a nurse but has big opinions about electrical and building codes. I mean skill and education mean nothing these days, Ana White is just as good a designer as Maloof.
    Lots of us here are old enough to remember the last time we listened to the "experts":
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...-it-180957775/

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    Re: Upside To Polar Vortex

    Quote Originally Posted by chris_goris View Post
    Lots of us here are old enough to remember the last time we listened to the "experts":
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...-it-180957775/
    And the experts were right. We stopped using CFCs and the ozone hole is shrinking as CFCs dissipate.

    Look, years ago I spent 6 months studying just enough climate science and reading abstracts to make up my own mind. You are welcome to believe whatever you want but if you are only reading denier articles and searching for gotcha articles to fight internet battles that is not education and not skepticism. Cheers.

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    Re: Upside To Polar Vortex

    Quote Originally Posted by Rick M View Post
    And the experts were right. We stopped using CFCs and the ozone hole is shrinking as CFCs dissipate.

    Look, years ago I spent 6 months studying just enough climate science and reading abstracts to make up my own mind. You are welcome to believe whatever you want but if you are only reading denier articles and searching for gotcha articles to fight internet battles that is not education and not skepticism. Cheers.
    Thats great Rick.... given up your cars yet?

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    Re: Upside To Polar Vortex

    Quote Originally Posted by Rick M View Post
    And the experts were right. We stopped using CFCs and the ozone hole is shrinking as CFCs dissipate.

    Look, years ago I spent 6 months studying just enough climate science and reading abstracts to make up my own mind. You are welcome to believe whatever you want but if you are only reading denier articles and searching for gotcha articles to fight internet battles that is not education and not skepticism. Cheers.
    Actually, the reason we outlawed Freon, the primary CFC in the battle, was because patent protection was running out and the newly patented substitute had been miraculously discovered.
    The underground use of Freon worldwide continues today. Production went crazy in the final years before the ban, and it was stockpiled all over the world. What that means is that there is no way to determine when it was no longer being used, just when it was outlawed.

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    Re: Upside To Polar Vortex

    The now banned "Freon" is just one member of the chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) used as refrigerants, but there are other CFCs which are more environmentally friendly.


    https://www.refrigerationschool.com/...-need-to-know/

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    Re: Upside To Polar Vortex

    How cold did it get in NC during the 2019 vortex?
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    Re: Upside To Polar Vortex

    Plenty cold, but not as bad as Illinois and Minnesota.

    In the Rougemont/Roxboro/Oxford area we had 2-3 days with highs barely above freezing and overnight lows in the mid-teens. With the wind chill the real feel temperatures were even worse.

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    Re: Upside To Polar Vortex

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    Plenty cold, but not as bad as Illinois and Minnesota.

    In the Rougemont/Roxboro/Oxford area we had 2-3 days with highs barely above freezing and overnight lows in the mid-teens. With the wind chill the real feel temperatures were even worse.
    I kind of doubt it got cold enough, long enough to put a dent in the NC EAB population.

    Here in southern IL, we had a lot of rain, then a little snow, then it got cold very quickly. I never heard an ice quake before until the vortex hit us. Really strange to hear and feel the ground make a gun shot noise and feel it move slightly under your feet. We we're under a flash freeze warning. First time for that warning also. I found out a flash freeze warning is just what is says... Everything freezes in a flash
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    Re: Upside To Polar Vortex

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    Thats great Rick.... given up your cars yet?
    You're becoming defensive so time for us to move on, there is little to be gained from continuing.

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    Re: Upside To Polar Vortex

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    You're becoming defensive so time for us to move on, there is little to be gained from continuing.

    I guess thats a no :-)

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    Re: Upside To Polar Vortex

    Quote Originally Posted by chris_goris View Post
    Lots of us here are old enough to remember the last time we listened to the "experts":
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...-it-180957775/
    I can't help but wonder if you've even read the entirety of the article you posted...

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    Re: Upside To Polar Vortex

    Quote Originally Posted by NTCook View Post
    I can't help but wonder if you've even read the entirety of the article you posted...
    It wouldn't matter. For all of us, cognitive dissonance is a powerful force.

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