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    Interesting dovetail

    As I have mentioned in the past - I blame Mark (Tarhead) for getting me hooked on a new guilty pleasure - watching Leo Goolden rebuild the Tally Ho after his #17 post in this thread: https://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/...ht=shaken+tree.

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    Last night I watched an earlier post (http://sampsonboat.co.uk/demolishing...ns-to-rebuild/) where he was removing the hatches and decking and he pointed out a hand cut dovetail (after all this is 1910) and the design where it is notched into the cross beam to keep the gap from showing!
    I am not certain, but it looks like the dovetail is also cut at an angle (scarfed?) into the cross beam.





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    Re: Interesting dovetail

    That is not an uncommon joint. The cut away is interesting much like beam construction in a masonary building with a cut away at the top floor joist at the wall. That was used to assist the floor in collapsing durning a fire.
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    Re: Interesting dovetail

    Used in fine furniture construction today.












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    Re: Interesting dovetail

    Joe,
    Have another look - the shoulder is "let in" so when the wood moves it doesn't show the gap if and when the wood moves!
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    Re: Interesting dovetail

    Quote Originally Posted by Hmerkle View Post
    Joe,
    Have another look - the shoulder is "let in" so when the wood moves it doesn't show the gap if and when the wood moves!
    I totally missed that until you pointed it out here. Interesting.

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    Same here...
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    Re: Interesting dovetail

    I believe that's called a "housed dovetail"...
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    Re: Interesting dovetail

    I took 15 minutes out of a completely mesmerizing spreadsheet of data (NOT!) and watched this episode. (http://sampsonboat.co.uk/14-part-2-c...e-keel-scarph/)

    Thinking to my self the whole time how I agonize over fitting joinery and he just did an angled scarf joint more than 4 feet long, with angular interfaces and I do not see any gaps!

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    Re: Interesting dovetail

    Hi everyone, not been here for many years, left the USA for England in 2010 and don't get the chance much anymore! spending a few hours in a hotel in China so thought I would take a look. Anyway, on this dovetail, I imagine these old builders don't spend too much time trying to hide joints so I thought it might be for a more practical reason, perhaps to move the tail further in to the centre of the cross piece for strength without having to lengthen the tail and make the neck narrower???? just a thought. Really pleased to see the site still going and some of the old names still active. I must pop in more often!
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    Re: Interesting dovetail

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidF View Post
    Hi everyone, not been here for many years, left the USA for England in 2010 and don't get the chance much anymore! spending a few hours in a hotel in China so thought I would take a look. ............... Really pleased to see the site still going and some of the old names still active. I must pop in more often!
    Great hear from you David!!!! Doesn't seem that long since you departed to the jolly old country.

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    8 years Wayne - who would have thought. I am so glad this site is still going strong.
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    Re: Interesting dovetail

    Thanks for sharing that, Hank. It reminded me of a John Alden-designed 53' schooner I've sailed on called Heron. The fellow who built and sails her used tapered sliding dovetails to join the frames to the keel timber. He told me after he had all the frames set up, he had less than 1 box of screws in the boat. He used a number of other interesting techniques that I think some non-boat-building woodworkers could find worth knowing about. See the WoodenBoat article on the construction here.
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    Re: Interesting dovetail

    I'm thinking they cut the "tail" piece board too long and made the tail first. Then they had to compensate by cutting the mortise to have the joint in the middle of the "pin" piece. Ocam's reasoning. Another situation where tails first can be made to work.

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    Re: Interesting dovetail

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarhead View Post
    I'm thinking they cut the "tail" piece board too long and made the tail first. Then they had to compensate by cutting the mortise to have the joint in the middle of the "pin" piece. Ocam's reasoning. Another situation where tails first can be made to work.
    Leo states that this is "common" joinery to "Hide" the shoulder gap with wood movement...
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