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    Re: Burial Urns For Veterans Project

    This Urn is the last thing the family in grief sees of their loved one,if interment is the end result, or if they want to keep the urn with the ashes on a mantle or display, The Best we can do is the least we can do.
    I'm not suggesting that we do anything less than a good job for our vets and their families. You seem to be suggesting that I should just slap together a box and call it an urn fit for a king.

    LOCK miters are a POSITIVE location which self aligns with or without glue. It also basically squares itself, all of which in the end makes assembly much much easier.If you have a method that does the same and produces a look alike urn there is no issue with you using it.
    Locked rabbets also square up the box and make assembly easy but they have 3/8" of exposed end grain. Is that ugly and unacceptable for this project? Some folks have volunteered to help making the urns but they may not have the capability to make locked miters.



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    Re: Burial Urns For Veterans Project

    The best argument for a mitered corners is the one-board construction appearance of the grain wrapping around three of the four corners. The link below will show the effect we were going for on the burial urns.

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    Re: Burial Urns For Veterans Project

    Was NOT implying that at all.As the pic from Raymond shows, If you have a better and simpler method to achieve those results, all for it. I went for the continuous grain wrap,mitered corner because it accomplished all of that in one operation.

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    Re: Burial Urns For Veterans Project

    Quote Originally Posted by Skymaster View Post
    Was NOT implying that at all.As the pic from Raymond shows, If you have a better and simpler method to achieve those results, all for it. I went for the continuous grain wrap,mitered corner because it accomplished all of that in one operation.
    Jack, thanks and I understand. I also don't want to flog a dead horse either. The locked rabbet idea doesn't work for a continuous grain wrap so +1 to the mitered corners for that look which is nice for decorative box designs. I know that you've made a lot of the urns for flat pack shipping and do they all have that continuous grain wrap when leaving your shop for assembly by the cemetery staff who know zero about grain wrapping? Who's supplying us with the boards for the 4 sides (40" l x 9"-10" w x 3/4" t) to guarantee that grain wrap for all of the boxes? Just curious.

    I'm not being cantankerous either.

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    Re: Burial Urns For Veterans Project

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    Jack, thanks and I understand. I also don't want to flog a dead horse either. The locked rabbet idea doesn't work for a continuous grain wrap so +1 to the mitered corners for that look which is nice for decorative box designs. I know that you've made a lot of the urns for flat pack shipping and do they all have that continuous grain wrap when leaving your shop for assembly by the cemetery staff who know zero about grain wrapping? Who's supplying us with the boards for the 4 sides (40" l x 9"-10" w x 3/4" t) to guarantee that grain wrap for all of the boxes? Just curious.

    I'm not being cantankerous either.
    Jeff, the flat-packed sets were sent out that way for storage purposes only. We do not give flat-packed urns to anyone other then our members to assemble. The cemetery staff, funeral homes, and family members only receive fully assembled urns.

    Our intention (with the flat-packed urns) is for the urns to be easily transported and stored until we need to handle them. I believe we have never given nor issued a flat-packed urn to anyone other than an NCWW member to assemble. We have both assembled and flat-packed urns in storage at Klingspors in Hickory.
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    Re: Burial Urns For Veterans Project

    When the project began Jeff, I made the urns from my own lumber supply, mostly white oak. Others at various times have also built urns to the original specifications using their own lumber. As for the donors of the lumber currently, I'll have to let Skymaster Jack fill in that information. Jack has done a great job with the grain wrap, and the urns are marked accordingly for assembly. Jack has made sure all the correct Kreg and regular screws are included. The member that assembles the urn needs to use their own glue, and sanding is required, albeit little, before applying a finish from their own stock. There are so many people involved in the project, I can't begin to remember and name them all. All NC State and National cemeteries have received and stock fully completed burial urns. This is not something they are required to do, so we try to make this project the least taxing on their time and efforts. We are indebted to the cemetery administrators for being willing to participate in the project. Coleman at Klingspors has helped us with some finish and hardware for the project also, as well as storing urns for us at the Hickory Store.
    Some things we could really use help on is designing a brochure for the project, and then distributing them to the various veterans organizations local posts. I am trying on these things but I lack the knowledge of how to accomplish these things, being only semi-computer literate. If anyone could help, please give a shout right here!
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    Re: Burial Urns For Veterans Project

    Thanks Bruce. I have a clearer picture now.

    All NC State and National cemeteries have received and stock fully completed burial urns.
    Jack has done a great job with the grain wrap, and the urns are marked accordingly for assembly.
    Jeremy Scuteri's wife volunteered awhile back to do the brochure but needed clearer pictures and someone provided those but I don't know if the brochure ever got done. Contact Jeremy.

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    Re: Burial Urns For Veterans Project

    Jeff, if you are past 21, cantankerous is normal and approved , I am so far past it that I am now allowed to be grouchy, and mentally deficient in addition.



    For your info; The way I cut blanks for the urns to insure grain wrap is simple if you want to take a crack at them: the blanks are 9" long, 9"wide,9" high. So 1 x 10. i mark them out at 9", at each 9" mark i will throw a cross line so it goes onto the next pc, the next mark gets 2 cross, then 3, then 4.
    lock miters require 2 vertical pc and 2 horizontal cuts. mark one connects 2 boards, and all following marks cross 2 boards. I then just run IE; one 1 vertical, second 1 horizontal that wraps that corner, and the rest follow the same program. Not as confusing as it sounds, once you do 1 or 2 you will get into the flow. Too bad you are 1 1/2 from me. That said when I am getting ready to run another batch if you want to come down and see or help just holler.
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    Re: Burial Urns For Veterans Project

    Quote Originally Posted by Skymaster View Post
    Jeff, if you are past 21, cantankerous is normal and approved , I am so far past it that I am now allowed to be grouchy, and mentally deficient in addition.

    Jack, you have a 7 year head start on me (a cantankerous 70 years November 3, 2017). My wife says that I'm a grump but that's a rite of passage I guess.

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    Re: Burial Urns For Veterans Project

    Quote Originally Posted by sawman101 View Post
    Some things we could really use help on is designing a brochure for the project, and then distributing them to the various veterans organizations local posts. I am trying on these things but I lack the knowledge of how to accomplish these things, being only semi-computer literate. If anyone could help, please give a shout right here!
    Bruce, there is a flyer in the library, https://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/...do=file&id=436. I don't know if you were referring to having this updated, replaced, or other.

    I have no graphics design skills, I know there are others here that do not suffer that affliction!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowman View Post
    Bruce, there is a flyer in the library, https://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/...do=file&id=436. I don't know if you were referring to having this updated, replaced, or other.

    I have no graphics design skills, I know there are others here that do not suffer that affliction!

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    I made that one a couple years back and ran them on my desk top printer. The information needed some serious updating, thus the need for a new one. The original was simply an 8 1/2"x11" single page. What we're hoping to put together is a tri-fold brochure and have them printed off by one of the online companies for less than $.05 per piece.
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    Re: Burial Urns For Veterans Project

    I have reopened this thread to pass along an email and my response that I received this afternoon from Leslie Eubanks from the Sandhills State Veterans Cemetery regarding their need for additional urns. I removed my phone numbers, but feel free to email me if needed.

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    Ms. Eubanks,

    I am not the point of contact for the wooden burial urns that have been provided by volunteer woodworkers from the NC Woodworker, Inc. non-profit organization. I have forwarded your email to the key individuals who can fulfill your need for additional urns. You should hear from them very soon.

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    From: Eubanks, Leslie B
    Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 3:27 PM
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    Good Afternoon,

    I was inquiring about the wooden urn burial containers. In the past our cemetery has received donated wooden boxes that can be used form the cremains of a veteran to use. Can you please let me know if this is the right organization to contact about requesting more. Currently we are down to our last box. I have enclose pictures of what they look like.

    Thank you!

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    Re: Burial Urns For Veterans Project

    Well here's a situation that should not have happened, but apparently has. This is my fault for not making sure all of the cemeteries have urns on hand. I will contact Leslie Eubanks and rectify the situation after conferring with Raymond and Skymaster as to our inventory of urn stocks. I am not trying to make excuses for myself, but I have had serious issues with extreme hip and back pain, for which the VA is sending me to see a neurosurgeon in Charlotte next month. I also have a difficult time on the telephone understanding what is said due to severe hearing loss when I was 20 years old while visiting a foreign country where the natives were having difficulties getting along. The project could really use a volunteer who would call the State and National Cemeteries once a month to, 1. inquire about their urn inventory, 2. insignia inventory, and 3. just a friendly liaison to help them realize we are still here and stand behind the project. Then if anyone out there has the ability to put together a color brochure for the Burial Urns For Veterans Project, I really need the assistance to get this done. I've made several attempts but each time I lose the work before it is complete, and cannot seem to get it back. This is my fault as I am not computer literate. I will have an update on the project in 48 hours or less and update our status.
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    Re: Burial Urns For Veterans Project

    Then if anyone out there has the ability to put together a color brochure for the Burial Urns For Veterans Project, I really need the assistance to get this done. I've made several attempts but each time I lose the work before it is complete, and cannot seem to get it back.
    IIRC Jeremy Scuteri's wife offered to work on the brochure, but I don't remember where that went beyond the offer.

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