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    Another what wood is this? UPDATED

    A few weeks ago an elementary school music teacher from Fayetteville sent a request to NCWW for somebody to make a replacement xylophone sound bar that somehow got lost so her class can again use their xylophone. I took the challenge and she sent the other sound bars so I could match the size, species of wood and most importantly get the replacement to have the right pitch.

    So I am trying to identify the wood and I am quite sure the NCWW experts can help, please

    Here are a few photos taken on my iPhone with 3500k lighting









    The last photo of the edge of the end bar showing that the wood is most likely stained

    The sound bars are very hard and somewhat heavy - I took some measurements that might help figuring the density

    15.5 mm thick
    38 mm wide
    290 mm long

    This computes to 170,810 cubic mm subtracting the tuning cove yields a total of 152,190 cubic mm

    And the weight is 293.3 grams

    Wait until you see all the Thank You notes that were written by her students - I will to tape them all up on the wall and get a photo

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    Re: Another what wood is this?

    I'd say padauk, yours looks like some very fine grain.

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    Re: Another what wood is this?

    Phil,
    Did she tell you the maker of the Xylophone? (can she)

    Perhaps there is some information from them or someone who services them??? (someone must service them?)

    I first assumed that it would be some type of exotic, but as you pointed out, it looks like a lighter wood that has been stained...

    There is some grain showing through in the view of the bottom otherwise from picture #2 or #3 I would have said fruitwood or monkeypod.

    On another note - did you ever think to call Rocky at West Penn to see if he has a suggestion???
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    Re: Another what wood is this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hmerkle View Post
    Phil,
    Did she tell you the maker of the Xylophone? (can she)

    Perhaps there is some information from them or someone who services them??? (someone must service them?)

    I first assumed that it would be some type of exotic, but as you pointed out, it looks like a lighter wood that has been stained...

    There is some grain showing through in the view of the bottom otherwise from picture #2 or #3 I would have said fruitwood or monkeypod.

    On another note - did you ever think to call Rocky at West Penn to see if he has a suggestion???
    She did state that there was no name on the instrument and that she had contacted numerous instrument repair folks but none would help.

    So all it took was one note to NCWW - now all I have to do is fix it

    I have some fruitwood so I will cut apiece to the same size and compare weight. My guess is I needed something heavier

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    Re: Another what wood is this?

    I just did a quick search and see that Yahama makes xylophones

    contact us:
    https://usa.yamaha.com/support/contacts/index.html

    maybe worth a quick call to ask what wood they use in "pedestrian models"
    Also if they make them for schools, or who does/has in the past and see if you can get to the maker...

    you may have to try a number of different woods to get the tone right?!
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    Re: Another what wood is this?

    I looked online some and found a few that had rosewood keys. It would also make sense with the weight. They looked very much like the keys in question as well.

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    Re: Another what wood is this?

    It might be easier to ID without the finish on it. That being said I've been reading on the subject lately and padauk, mahogany, teakwood are all good tone woods. I truly wish you luck on this.
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    Re: Another what wood is this?

    My guess would be Rosewood, Padauk, or Mahogany, are all listed for bar wood.
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    Re: Another what wood is this?

    Padauk is what I would it out of.
    This site has a bunch of good info. https://delfordsmagicplan.review/
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    Re: Another what wood is this?

    I chose a different approach on a "road less traveled". Rather than looking at wood species I calculated the pounds/cubic foot from Phil's measurements and then tried to find wood species with similar densities.

    lbs/cubic foot
    teak 47
    brazilian rosewood 52
    east indian rosewood 52
    padauk 47
    honduran mahogany 37
    lignum vitae 78.5

    From Phil's data.

    293.3 grams = 0.647 pounds.

    Volume = 170,810 cubic mm = 0.00603 cubic feet

    Density = 107.3 lbs/cu ft.

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    Re: Another what wood is this?

    try this link and see if it helps, it has a chart of a bunch of different wood species and their density, spectral bandwidth (Hz) and xylophone classification.
    http://www.lma.cnrs-mrs.fr/~kronland..._Xylophone.pdf

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    Re: Another what wood is this?

    try this link and see if it helps, it has a chart of a bunch of different wood species and their density,
    And some help to get lbs/cu foot.

    convert kg/cubic meter to lbs/cubic foot

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    Re: Another what wood is this?

    While it would be nice to have the same wood, what you really want is to have the correct tone. If it's a different wood the tone bar may have to be a little longer or shorter than what would make a straight line for the tops and bottoms of the keys, but that would really be of little concern. My son is a musician, and he has an app on his phone that he uses to tune his instruments (guitar etc.). You could make a piece of whatever wood you finally choose that matches the width, depth, and shape of the other tone bars, drill the mounting holes and put it on the instrument, but leave it long. Then you can tune lit accurately by shortening it with tiny cuts on the table saw or by using a disc sander. If the sound is correct I imagine they'll be pleased.

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    Re: Another what wood is this?

    Visually I saw Mahogany when looking at the pics, but based on weight it may be lignum vitae. Lignum has a slight greenish tint to it. I have a block of Lignum somewhere - probably still in Cary, but I'll look around here also to see if I packed it in a box already. If I can find it you can try it to see what it sounds like. It will only be about 8" long though maybe 10 if we're lucky. I got it at Klingspor as a turning blank - it was originally about 16" long but I made a mallet out of half of it. How long are the Xylophone keys? If I can find it, we can meet somewhere in Cary next time I'm there, probably later this week.
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    Re: Another what wood is this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Wallace View Post
    While it would be nice to have the same wood, what you really want is to have the correct tone. If it's a different wood the tone bar may have to be a little longer or shorter than what would make a straight line for the tops and bottoms of the keys, but that would really be of little concern. My son is a musician, and he has an app on his phone that he uses to tune his instruments (guitar etc.). You could make a piece of whatever wood you finally choose that matches the width, depth, and shape of the other tone bars, drill the mounting holes and put it on the instrument, but leave it long. Then you can tune lit accurately by shortening it with tiny cuts on the table saw or by using a disc sander. If the sound is correct I imagine they'll be pleased.
    I would second that. With the stain on the pictures, no problem matching the color and grain using Transtint and a lighter color wood.

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