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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

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    I started my practice cuts today. I laid out the tails backwards -> dork. Yes, good thing I'm practicing.
    So far, the hard parts have been keeping that angle with the saw accurate. It doesn't help trying to stay with pencil on walnut. Next hardest thing has been not damaging the exterior edges with mis-slips of the chisels. More practice... more practice...
    Take a pine board, mark off 15 degree lines every 1/4 inch and mark a stop line all the way across the board. Now cut those lines, then do the other end. Now cut that off for a clean edge and do it again, keep doing that until there is no board left.

    then try a dovetail



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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Yes, I certainly had the thought that if I watched it and understood it, it would be easy to replicate. After some practice cutting, I know this is not the case. I'm still practicing my cuts on scrap wood when time permits (hectic schedule during the week does not allow for much time in the shop). I like the idea that Mike just gave about cutting several angles at a time along a board, that seems very useful and I'll try that next. I did break down and purchase a magnetic dovetail saw guide. When I'm ready to cut the real pieces, I want those cuts to be as close to perfect as I can get.

    What would you like to know about my tools? For this I'm using a Dozuki pull saw, Irwin Marples chisels and a cheapie coping saw.

    I'll post pics of my dovetails once they are complete before I glue them :-)

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    Stu, YouTube videos are very helpful but a little "hands on" training with a good instructor can go a long way.

    I'm really curious about what brands and types of tools you're using.

    BTW, Please do continue to update us on your progress.

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    You didn't mention a marking knife. Frankly, I'm not good enough to cut on a pencil line. I actually use the marking knife to to cut in stop cuts.

    I use Veritas and LN western saws but I know there are some guys down there that recently did a dovetail workshop using eastern saws.

    BTW, some excellent advise from Mike!

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    I'm using an exacto knife to create the knife walls. I create score lines on the proper sides of the pencil marks to give the saw a resting start point.

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    I had trouble using the generic style exacto blades. For my use, the tip of the blade was too fine and flexible. I almost hesitate to describe how I use this knife to cut in the knife walls but in some secondary woods, I can almost cut in the dovetails. I'm not suggesting this is the perfect marking knife.
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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    that looks very cool. I would like to get a proper marking knife at some point.

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    I've done box joints but never tried dovetails but I may have a go at them too.

    Here's an interesting link to "through dovetails" with Chris Gochnour. The Veritas "Saddle Markers" that he uses are pretty nifty too.

    http://www.finewoodworking.com/2007/...ting-the-tails

    http://www.leevalley.com/us/wood/pag...36,50298,49424

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Thank you for sharing those links

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Quote Originally Posted by photostu View Post
    that looks very cool. I would like to get a proper marking knife at some point.
    Proper marking knife.

    https://bluesprucetoolworks.com/coll...rking-tool-set



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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    That looks extremely nice.

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Im following this for sure! I have yet to do a dovetail joint but I'm with you on the confidence after watching so many videos. They always make it look so easy. I look forward to watching your progress and I'll have to start practicing on my own too.

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    If my post has inspired 1 person to improve their technique, this venture has been successful :-)
    But I still gotta cut some #### wood.

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Some progress pics... these first 2 were my last offcut practice runs. I was not as patient as I should have been and it shows.


    These 2 pics here are half of the final shelf... the pins turned out well, but my tail depth was overshot just a tad. Hoping I can do a little better on the final joint of the shelf.
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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Progress is excellent! I always, ALWAYS, make both the pins and tails a little proud. Finish sanding makes everything flush.
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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Stu, While we all aspire to cut dovetails so perfectly that they are measured at the molecular level, those are actually quite good for your initial effort.

    FWIW, your material should stand a touch proud as it is a real bear if it ends up recessed. Get a nice low angle block plane to work the end grain down. You'll be amazed how it all clicks and comes together.

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