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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Based upon Mike's response, it kinda deflates my answer of tails first :-)

    I'm really looking at this as a challenge now. I've been warned, its gonna be difficult, I may even cry. But I'm secretly hoping I'll knock it out of the park on my first try. We'll see... Hope I'll have an update after this weekend, wife is taking more of my free time away, so this may extend into next week.

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Experience can be a hard teacher, but it's a good teacher. You learn well by doing, and there is a first time for every step you take. You're on your way to becoming an experienced woodworker Stu. You'll experience some failures, but don't get discouraged, just keep on trying, and it will all come together. Good luck with your project.
    Experience is a hard teacher; she gives the test first, and the lesson later.

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Thanks Bruce. I was thrilled with just the milling process, getting square and smooth final dimensions was really rewarding, especially with the walnut. That wood is just freaking gorgeous. I showed my wife the final cuts and I could see her eyes light up. All my woodworking to date has been with PT pine for decks and stairs.


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    Experience can be a hard teacher, but it's a good teacher. You learn well by doing, and there is a first time for every step you take. You're on your way to becoming an experienced woodworker Stu. You'll experience some failures, but don't get discouraged, just keep on trying, and it will all come together. Good luck with your project.

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Welcome Stu. Thanks for joining us.

    What has got you all fired about walnut wood as well as dovetails? Is that 4/4 walnut or 6/4 and where'd you get it?

    I'm not dissuading you from trying hand cut dovetails by any means so have a go at it with some scrap wood and use them for your project if you wish but they're monumental overkill (no twisting/turning or racking forces).

    There are lots of easier ways to fasten together 3 or 4 pieces of wood.

    I found a bit more information about the elementary construction of this shelf and some smaller details too. Don't go that way, you're stepping it up a few notches.

    http://overthebigmoon.com/diy-oil-and-vinegar-shelf/

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Hi Jeff.

    I bought a 4/4 board from Klingspor this week and milled it down to 3/4 thickness, with the other dimensions I needed for the cuts.
    Yes, I agree, this type of joinery is overkill. Its a shelf that's gonna hold spices! But this is my first piece, I wanted to make it as special as a spice shelf could be and make it a teaching process along the way. I chose walnut cause we wanted a darker wood to match the decor in the kitchen. I almost went with Wenge. I knew I did not want to even think of using screws. I'm very drawn to the beauty element of this hobby, hence all my decisions thus far. The lure of learning more on a very simple piece also had a role in the process.


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    Welcome Stu. Thanks for joining us.

    What has got you all fired about walnut wood as well as dovetails? Is that 4/4 walnut or 6/4 and where'd you get it?

    I'm not dissuading you from trying hand cut dovetails by any means so have a go at it with some scrap wood and use them for your project if you wish but they're monumental overkill (no twisting/turning or racking forces).

    There are lots of easier ways to fasten together 3 or 4 pieces of wood.

    I found a bit more information about the elementary construction of this shelf and some smaller details too. Don't go that way, you're stepping it up a few notches.

    http://overthebigmoon.com/diy-oil-and-vinegar-shelf/

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Quote Originally Posted by photostu View Post
    Based upon Mike's response, it kinda deflates my answer of tails first :-)

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    Not directed at you, it's just....

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    No worries at all.. I know I'm a noob and I've got a lot to learn. I do appreciate the feedback.

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Tails or pins first is a subject of constant debate with strong feelings on both sides.

    But unlike the East/Lexington debate there is a correct answer.



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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Seems understandable. My limited knowledge is based on videos showing tails first then transfer those to produce the lines for the pins. I'm sure you could argue it exactly the same way for reverse.
    I used to be of the mind that there was only 1 kind of BBQ, after some years though, I find I rather like most any sauce derivation when combined with a slow cooked pork product ;-)

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    But unlike the East/Lexington debate there is a correct answer.

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Beef, BBQ is beef!


    And I also do tails first, just makes more sense to me.

    Don't let these guys talk you out of going all the way, one of my first projects was a machinist's chest with dovetailed plywood.
    My machine shop instructor said I was the only student he had in over 40 years of teaching that built his own machinist chest.

    I still have it, and it has held up pretty well. That was before the internet so, no u-tube to look up.
    I just did what i thought might work, and it did.



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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    I started my practice cuts today. I laid out the tails backwards -> dork. Yes, good thing I'm practicing.
    So far, the hard parts have been keeping that angle with the saw accurate. It doesn't help trying to stay with pencil on walnut. Next hardest thing has been not damaging the exterior edges with mis-slips of the chisels. More practice... more practice...

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Make your layout marks with a knife then rub white chalk in the lines.



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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Just discovered white charcoal pencils... that will help a ton

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Stu, when you get the tails cut, it helps to cut a shallow rabbet on the inside face of the board so you have a shoulder to butt up against the pin board. Only has to be 1/16" deep or so. This is one of the things I saw Roy Underhill talking about on his show.

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    Re: My first project - over the stove shelf

    Stu, YouTube videos are very helpful but a little "hands on" training with a good instructor can go a long way.

    I'm really curious about what brands and types of tools you're using.

    BTW, Please do continue to update us on your progress.

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