Oneida Dust Collector

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Brent
Senior User
I looked at this unit today, but unsure of it's capacity as I don't know the specs of the unit. The motor is 1.5 HP and it's at least 12 -15 yr old. The owner used it in his furniture building shop and is no longer using it. It is too tall for my basement as it stands, so I'd either have to mount the motor to the side of the cyclone or use a shorter tub at the bottom of the cyclone. He is asking $2800 for the entire dust collection system, including the ductwork and blast gates. I'm thinking it isn't worth that much, but would like to hear what you guys/gals think about it. Is it a good unit to use for a planer, jointer, SCMS, table saw, bandsaw, drill press, router table, belt sander ? Wish I knew the CFM, but I don't. I wonder if anyone at Oneida could tell me what model and specs it is from the pics ?

Thanks.
 

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Daniel
Corporate Member
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I'd have to agree, 12-15 years old, only 1.5HP, $2800 is way overpriced even with the ductwork. For that you could get a 3HP Laguna with a HEPA filter, and still have $300 left for duct work (heck, find it on one of the many 10% off sales and you'd have $550 left for duct work).
 

Bill Clemmons

Bill
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To answer your last question first, I would definitely call Oneida and get all the info I could about this unit. Based on the age and motor HP, they should be able to tell you a lot. Also ask about each of the tools you want to hook it to. The only one I might be a little concerned about is the planer, depending on how big it is. If it is a 12 or 13" "lunch box" type, then 1.5 HP is probably enough.

Regarding the height and your basement, it appears he is using a 50 gl. drum. Oneida also sells a 30 gl. drum which is shorter. That may make a difference. I'm not sure you can mount the motor/impeller anywhere but on top of the unit and still maintain efficiency. I could easily be wrong on this.

I have a very similar version of that unit by Oneida, but mine is 5 HP and has 2000 CFM. I have been very satisfied w/ it.

As for the price, I think $2,800 is definitely on the high side, especially given the age and low HP. I know that includes all the ducting, but unless there is a lot more than you show in the pics, it really isn't that much. For that price I think you could get a new unit and a lot of duct work.
 

McRabbet

Rob
Corporate Member
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Although you have slightly limited ceiling height, with a shorter collection barrel you can get a much better system for under $2,100 plus tax and still have about $600 for ductwork. My recommendation is a ClearVue Cyclone CV1800 with excellent filters, found here.
 

JimD

Jim
Senior User
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I saw a similar sized Grizzly unit advertised well under $1,000 recently, it was probably in the current Wood magazine. I plan to build something similar with a HF "2hp" DC on top of an Oneida super dust deputy cyclone and a 30 gallon plastic drum. I have the DC, I need to buy the cyclone and drum. They are about $210 from Amazon (together). I am thinking of exhausting outside but if I buy a cartridge filter I plan to use the one in the Grey House Studios build that is about $100 (Wynn is another option, I used to have one, but it costs about twice as much). Even with a filter I will only have about $500 in my system. Piping and blast gates will, of course, further increase my cost but probably not more than another couple hundred dollars (my shop is only 14x24). So I am suggesting you can fairly easily piece together a similar sized system with the piping for under $1000. It would be worth a little more to have the Oneida system but not nearly what he is asking. I think the half his price suggestion is pretty good.
 

Sean McCurdy

Sean
Senior User
I saw a similar sized Grizzly unit advertised well under $1,000 recently, it was probably in the current Wood magazine. I plan to build something similar with a HF "2hp" DC on top of an Oneida super dust deputy cyclone and a 30 gallon plastic drum. I have the DC, I need to buy the cyclone and drum. They are about $210 from Amazon (together). I am thinking of exhausting outside but if I buy a cartridge filter I plan to use the one in the Grey House Studios build that is about $100 (Wynn is another option, I used to have one, but it costs about twice as much). Even with a filter I will only have about $500 in my system. Piping and blast gates will, of course, further increase my cost but probably not more than another couple hundred dollars (my shop is only 14x24). So I am suggesting you can fairly easily piece together a similar sized system with the piping for under $1000. It would be worth a little more to have the Oneida system but not nearly what he is asking. I think the half his price suggestion is pretty good.
I'm doing similar, except I also added an upgrade to a 12" Rikon fan. I've got a thread in the workshop forum.
 

JimD

Jim
Senior User
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Thanks for posting your test results, Sean. I do not plan to use the Rikon fan unless I don't feel like the airflow is adequate with the HF system. In other words, I will approach it in the opposite order from what you are apparently doing. I will install the stock system and then go back and install the Rikon impeller if I need some more airflow. I am worried most about my CMS/RAS setup. I need to suck a lot of air out of a hood I haven't built yet to get most of the dust they generate.
 

Sean McCurdy

Sean
Senior User
Thanks for posting your test results, Sean. I do not plan to use the Rikon fan unless I don't feel like the airflow is adequate with the HF system. In other words, I will approach it in the opposite order from what you are apparently doing. I will install the stock system and then go back and install the Rikon impeller if I need some more airflow. I am worried most about my CMS/RAS setup. I need to suck a lot of air out of a hood I haven't built yet to get most of the dust they generate.
No judgement from me; seems very reasonable. It's not really that different from what I've done. I've had the HF fan for years in a single stage setup at my previous shop and wanted a bit more flow. Particularly knowing the cyclone would just cut the flow even more lead me to the Rikon. If you want to upgrade later it's about as close to bolt-in as it gets.

As for the RAS, two approaches. Take a look at the Frank Howarth videos. He did a really nice fence based setup. Alternately, a shroud with as small of an area exposed as possible should work as well; it's what I tried to do with my miter saw.
Best of luck!
 

bowman

Neal
Staff member
Corporate Member
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For RAS & CMS dust collection, I cannot find the link or recall where I saw this at the moment, but they referenced a plastic trash can behind with a shroud funneling the chips and dust into that. From there you can connect your DC hose to pull dust out. This is something I need to try myself.
 

jdennis

New User
John
$2,800 is probably high but as others have said it depends on the model. I installed a new Onieda 3hp V system a recently, my shop is on the small side, 22 x 26 with 7 dust collection stations. At the conclusion I was surprised I had spent significantly more on the metal ductwork (I did buy from Onieda) than I did on the dust collector itself. All those pipes, elbows, reducers, adapters, blast gates and flex tubing add up quickly. All of this is to say don't discount the value of the ductwork when making a value determination. Do make sure the ductwork is spec'ed correctly, proper gauge, sized for CFM flow and can be disassembled and reassembled without issue. I would count up the individual pieces, use a current price list and determine what it would cost to buy the ductwork new (you might be surprised), then discount it for it's used condition and then decide if there is reasonable value.
 

JimD

Jim
Senior User
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John makes a good point but also consider how much of the ductwork being offered is useful in your shop. A lot probably would be but some may not work for you.
 

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