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    Re: Amber Shellac

    Quote Originally Posted by danmart77 View Post
    15/gal
    40 hazard ship cost
    shipping

    This is too much money for me.
    yea. I agree.

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    Re: Amber Shellac

    Here it is $28/gal, with free shipping. Cheaper than DNA at Home Depot.

    https://www.amazon.com/Gallon-Isopro...propyl+alcohol

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    Re: Amber Shellac

    Agri Supply, $15.99/ gallon: http://www.agrisupply.com/denatured-...allon/p/76434/

    One of the turning videos features a discussion of buying 5 gal buckets from the big box for a lower per gallon price. My Lowes said no. Need to check at HD the next time I visit my daughter. Haven't tried the local paint stores...yet.

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    Re: Amber Shellac

    Quote Originally Posted by marinosr View Post
    Here it is $28/gal, with free shipping. Cheaper than DNA at Home Depot.

    https://www.amazon.com/Gallon-Isopro...propyl+alcohol
    i didn't do much searching. I'm also planning to ask a local pharmacy if they could order 99% Isopropanol and how much.

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    Re: Amber Shellac

    Quote Originally Posted by Dee2 View Post
    Agri Supply, $15.99/ gallon: http://www.agrisupply.com/denatured-...allon/p/76434/

    One of the turning videos features a discussion of buying 5 gal buckets from the big box for a lower per gallon price. My Lowes said no. Need to check at HD the next time I visit my daughter. Haven't tried the local paint stores...yet.
    Gene, definitely cheaper, but typically 50-60% methanol.

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    Re: Amber Shellac

    I'm curious again and I can't find a Bill Anderson as a NCWW member. It's strange that he hasn't chimed in with his experience so far using isopropanol "from the drugstore" along with a few pics. CVS Pharmacy has quarts of 91% isopropanol (9% water?) for $4.49 but they don't have a 99% version. The water may or may not work for dissolving shellac flakes or diluting Zinger SealCoat but I'd guess that it's detrimental because shellac isn't soluble in water.

    I'd rarely use a quart of pre-mixed shellac and for me it's convenient to buy quart cans of Behkol for about $9-12/qt. The unopened quart cans remain sealed to prevent absorption of water. Denatured ethanol (yep, mostly >50% methanol) is fine for other general uses despite its toxicity, but I'm not bathing in it or inhaling a lot of vapors so my organic chemist's intuition and experience tell me to use with caution but don't get paranoid about it.
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    Re: Amber Shellac

    Hey Jeff,

    i think Bill goes by willarda on the site.. He partners with Roy at the Woodwright's School in Pittsboro, has a unique health issue and wants to avoid ALL solvents that aren't generally recognized as safe by our FDA. I simply sent him an email, which I had from taking several classes.

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    Re: Amber Shellac

    Just to add, Bill was very specific about 99% Isopropanol and that drug stores usually don't have it in stock. I plant to ask a local (not CVS) drug store if they can order 99% for me and how much it will cost.

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    Re: Amber Shellac

    Also: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/s...hlight=Ethanol

    Danmart, read Vijay's 1st point and his 7th point. That's my point.

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    Re: Amber Shellac

    Good gracious Also to add, I spoke with a Erich Thompson, here in Greensboro, about using Isopropanol. His response was "duh!" Erich used to head up the SAPFM here in town.

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    Re: Amber Shellac

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff View Post
    I'm curious again and I can't find a Bill Anderson as a NCWW member. It's strange that he hasn't chimed in with his experience so far using isopropanol "from the drugstore" along with a few pics. CVS Pharmacy has quarts of 91% isopropanol (9% water?) for $4.49 but they don't have a 99% version. The water may or may not work for dissolving shellac flakes or diluting Zinger SealCoat but I'd guess that it's detrimental because shellac isn't soluble in water.

    I'd rarely use a quart of pre-mixed shellac and for me it's convenient to buy quart cans of Behkol for about $9-12/qt. The unopened quart cans remain sealed to prevent absorption of water. Denatured ethanol (yep, mostly >50% methanol) is fine for other general uses despite its toxicity, but I'm not bathing in it or inhaling a lot of vapors so my organic chemist's intuition and experience tell me to use with caution but don't get paranoid about it.
    Jeff, you can't find Bill Anderson because his user name is Willarda.
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    Re: Amber Shellac

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff View Post
    ...because shellac isn't soluble in water.
    It is by adding Borax. I believe shellac inks are waterbase.

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    Re: Amber Shellac

    Yep, your right. It's soluble in household ammonia too which makes a handy initial clean-up solvent for brushes, cans, and jars.

    My organic chemistry tells me the reason but it's a major secret!

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    Re: Amber Shellac

    Quote Originally Posted by StephenK View Post
    Also: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/s...hlight=Ethanol

    Danmart, read Vijay's 1st point and his 7th point. That's my point.

    What? I think I posted the earlier thread you referred me to??

    I'm lost I guess??? I don't recall questioning what your point was in pointing out that there are added costs for ordering from certain suppliers.

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    Re: Amber Shellac

    I don't think the shellac cares whether we use methanol, ethanol, or isopropanol or even some other acohols that aren't readily available. It's soluble in all those. The issue is use people breathing the fumes and we really shouldn't be exposed to any of those in a major way but as Jeff says, "don't be paranoid about it". I would think than any alcohol with an appreciable amount of water in it should be avoided.

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