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    Red face SawStop Table Saw: 1.75HP vs 3HP

    Considering a new table saw I am wondering if you might have an opinion of how much the extra 1.25HP is really worth it? I can run the 220V easy enough but is the extra HP really going to make a difference. Although a perfectionist, I am a hobbyist, not a professional.

    I am using a 1.5HP BT3100 right now which seems to cut through all of my needs but I am feeling the need to consider my upgrade options. My totally cool wood-master neighbor has a PowerMatic 66 I can use when I get into some tough stuff.

    Has anybody had experience shopping for a SawStop TS? I am wondering how I can get the best deal$. Seems like SawStop runs a tight dealer network and may have some pricing rules the dealers must adhere to.


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    Re: SawStop Table Saw: 1.75HP vs 3HP

    1.75hp will do everything 3hp, just sometimes slower. Often its the other features of a cabinet saw that make the upgrade worthwhile for a non production shop.

    The best way to get a deal on a sawstop is to find a used one.

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    Re: SawStop Table Saw: 1.75HP vs 3HP

    Best deal you can hope to find on a sawstop is a used one. As far as new prices they do have a very tightly controlled network so you really won't find much (if any) wiggle room on the new ones. They are running a promotion for either an upgraded dust collector guard on the 1.75 HP saw or the overarm dust collection on the 3HP and up saws.

    A word of advice if you are looking for a used IF you find one have your money ready and jump quick. I haven't had much luck finding one used and when I do they are usually already gone. I see maybe 1 or 2 a year, but who knows with the current economy

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    Re: SawStop Table Saw: 1.75HP vs 3HP

    I don't own a SawStop but I do have a solid DeWalt hybrid saw. It has a 1.75 HP motor and I've never wished I had more. For the hobbyist (even a serious/advanced one) you should be fine, especially with the PM 66 nearby.

    I'd also add that if you're not very comfortable and experienced with table saw operation you might not want to start out with a 3HP motor for safety reasons. Kickback related injuries can be a lot worse on the more powerful saws.... If my son beans me with a ball it hurts, sometimes really bad. If Nolan Ryan beans me that's a totally different story... We're talking internal injuries and hospital visits.....

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    Re: SawStop Table Saw: 1.75HP vs 3HP

    Travis- this is great advice! Thank you. Bruce

    Quote Originally Posted by Mt. Gomer View Post
    I don't own a SawStop but I do have a solid DeWalt hybrid saw. It has a 1.75 HP motor and I've never wished I had more. For the hobbyist (even a serious/advanced one) you should be fine, especially with the PM 66 nearby.

    I'd also add that if you're not very comfortable and experienced with table saw operation you might not want to start out with a 3HP motor for safety reasons. ..

    Travis

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    Smile Re: SawStop Table Saw: 1.75HP vs 3HP

    Thank you... I have been looking for a really good used TS but have not seen one that has tickled my fancy yet.... and I am tired of waiting. Thanks for your comment- also about price.

    Quote Originally Posted by decibel View Post
    Best deal you can hope to find on a sawstop is a used one. . I see maybe 1 or 2 a year, but who knows with the current economy

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    Re: SawStop Table Saw: 1.75HP vs 3HP

    I am in a slightly different school of thought where I believe that more is better in the case of most things (table saws included). I have a 3HP Grizzly 1023Z and I am glad that I have all that HP, but it depends what you are going to be doing. Occasionally I hog out a ton of waste at once with a 3/4" stacked dado raised quite high into the work and it feeds just as smooth as a 1/4" dado. I also end up doing all of my home improvement projects so I have at times had the blade at maximum height ripping SYP trip boards for retrofit work; and have just begun to get the saw to start to moan; with any less HP I would be in trouble.

    That said, there are many ways around all of the work I described and most involve simply slowing down and taking lighter passes; so it is not as if you won't be capable of doing certain tasks with a lower HP saw.

    Price is another thing; I got a killer deal on my saw and it just so happened to be 3HP; would I have paid $$$ more for a 5HP version...likely not. I am not sure on the price difference with the two sawstop's that you are looking at but chances are that for casual woodworking the difference in cost is better spent on routers, hand planes, bench upgrades etc.

    IMHO more HP is better but for a non-production environment only if you can get it at a bargain price.

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    Re: SawStop Table Saw: 1.75HP vs 3HP

    I am not so sure less hp is safer for kickback issues. Keep a sharp blade, use the splitter at all times and don't rip squarish stock.
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    Re: SawStop Table Saw: 1.75HP vs 3HP

    Thanks David- the price difference is about $430 and about $50 to run the 220V to belly up for the extra ponies. Sawstop is offering a "over arm dust collection" system for the 3HP TS.

    The $430 upgrade offers no other feature or benefit other than the extra HP.

    Quote Originally Posted by kooshball View Post

    IMHO more HP is better but for a non-production environment only if you can get it at a bargain price.

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    Re: SawStop Table Saw: 1.75HP vs 3HP

    That is a mid-range Festool plunge router right there...

    Quote Originally Posted by blbradford View Post
    Thanks David- the price difference is about $430 and about $50 to run the 220V to belly up for the extra ponies. Sawstop is offering a "over arm dust collection" system for the 3HP TS.

    The $430 upgrade offers no other feature or benefit other than the extra HP.

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    Re: SawStop Table Saw: 1.75HP vs 3HP

    Quote Originally Posted by blbradford View Post
    Thanks David- the price difference is about $430 and about $50 to run the 220V to belly up for the extra ponies. Sawstop is offering a "over arm dust collection" system for the 3HP TS.

    The $430 upgrade offers no other feature or benefit other than the extra HP.
    Money saved if buying a 1.75 hp and 3 hp. These numbers assume you buy before March 31 when the free dust collection rebate offers expire. 1.75 hp gets the dust blade guard, 3 hp comes with the dust guard and the rebate is for the overarm dust collector.

    110v
    $430
    $230 if you want the overarm dust collector

    220v
    $380
    $180 if you want the overarm dust collector

    I'm leaning toward the 3 hp because I don't want to worry about the saw ever bogging down. The 1.75 hp is probably good enough for me most of the time, but $180 spread across the lifetime of the saw is negligible to me.

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    Re: SawStop Table Saw: 1.75HP vs 3HP

    I've had a 1.5 hp Delta contractor saw for 15 years. I just bought a Sawstop and opted for the 1.75 hp PCS, because my old saw had enough power for anything I ever did. The price difference, by my math, was nearly $500 (not counting freebies, because I didn't want any of them). I can find better things to do with $500. BTW, except for the motor and one electronic part, the 1.75 and 3hp PCS are identical. So you could put in a bigger motor down the road, should you change your mind.
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    Re: SawStop Table Saw: 1.75HP vs 3HP

    As the owner of a 1.75HP Steel City hybrid, my opinion is as follows.

    1-3/4HP is plenty of power for just about any routine tablesaw job (crosscutting and ripping) -- especially if you are using the newer thin-kerf blades (such as those from Freud), but quite adequate even when using traditional 1/8" blades. Thus far, the coarsest tooth count I have ever used with my saw is a 40 tooth combination blade. I have yet to need to mount a 24 tooth rip blade and I work with a lot of 8/4 Poplar as well as some really hard 4/4 woods like Purpleheart (which is not only hard, but you have to keep it moving quickly to keep the resin from heating).

    Where, IMHO, the extra 1.25HP can shine most is in the cutting of wide dados with an 8" stacked dado set through hard woods. Also as mentioned, you might occassionally have to slow down a little from time to time if sawing thick hardwood (e.g. 10/4 Purpleheart) -- particularly if using a blade not optimal for the task.

    If money was not an issue, I would not turn down a 3HP tablesaw as 3HP is pretty much the most a hobbyist is ever likely to need on a 10" tablesaw. If money is an issue, then you will likely be quite happy with the 1.75HP saw and will only miss the extra HP on those very rare occassions -- but it is not the sort of thing that you are likely to keep kicking yourself for years down the road!

    Whichever way you go, enjoy your new toy tool!

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    Re: SawStop Table Saw: 1.75HP vs 3HP

    Out of curiosity, I sent SawStop an email asking about whether or not it's possible to upgrade the 1.75 HP to 3.0 HP after initial purchase.

    Hi Michael,

    Thank you for contacting SawStop. In response to your request, no, it is not possible to switch out the motor at a later date. You are right, there is about a $400 difference, but the PCS175 does not come with the dust collection blade guard that the 3HP model does (this is a $139 value). Thanks!

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    Edit: This doesn't necessarily mean it's not possible to put in a 3 HP motor later, it just means that it will most likely void the warranty and remove SawStop from any liability should anything happen.

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    Re: SawStop Table Saw: 1.75HP vs 3HP

    Quote Originally Posted by manfre View Post
    Out of curiosity, I sent SawStop an email asking about whether or not it's possible to upgrade the 1.75 HP to 3.0 HP after initial purchase.
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    Manfre- sounds like you are seriously shopping as well and leaning towards the 3hp. What dealer do you think you will buy it from?

    Bruce

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