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08-25-2008, 12:36 PM
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#31 | | Vice-President
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Name: Rob City: Hendersonville State: NC County: Henderson Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 66 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Travis,
I have built up my shop by doing commissioned work and I re-invest in that business by buying new or used tools which can be deducted as legitimate business expenses. That way, I don't eat into the family budget and my purchases are less likely to irk SWMBO. I also go out of my way to do special things for her whenever possible so she doesn't feel neglected. My new 8" jointer I bought in July cost over $1,140 and she didn't bat an eye -- in fact, she was worried I might strain myself getting it out of my truck and insisted I get help (which I did).
If I were in your shoes, I'd back away now and tell her that you'd like to get the sander, but only after you can budget for it -- in the interim, look for a good used drum sander (I bought a 26" Woodmaster 20 months ago for $750 with commisioned work dollars). IMHO, no tool purchase is worth jeopardizing your family relationships.
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08-25-2008, 12:37 PM
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Name: fred City: franklinton State: nc County: franklin Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 51 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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aww shucks travis. go ahead and get the 37"er. just dont spend all your money cause when I rent you the top of my garage it aint gonna be cheep!!  | |
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08-25-2008, 12:55 PM
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Name: Travis City: Wake Forest State: NC County: Wake Join Date: Dec 2005 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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I have read th mars/venus series several years ago. To be honest, there is no jeoporady in the house, and all is actually well.
She is good with the 24" because of price. If I were buying a new 37 or larger then she would have heart failure....... Sooooo,,,,,,, I believe the decision is made.
24" here I come!!!! Plus a couple of other toyls..... 
__________________ Wife changed my perspective.  I need want some additional tools. I need want a
multi-spindle line borer - Found one!!!! Could I? Should I? Do I????
pocket hole machine - unlikely in 2008
Festool sander and vacuum -told I don't need 2 not going to happen
Edge bander - unlikely this decade
oscillating edge sander - unlikely in 2008
floor model chisel or slot mortiser - unlikely in 2008
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08-25-2008, 01:29 PM
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Name: Todd City: Hillsborough State: NC County: Orange Join Date: Nov 2006 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Hi Travis,
Just curious to know if you have 3phase power set up in your shop. There were some good deals on IRS but they were all 3ph power requiring, and I don't know if the sander+converter would still cost less than that 24" you're considering.
Just a thought . . .
Pre-Congrats,
Todd | |
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08-25-2008, 02:42 PM
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#35 | | Secretary
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Name: Doug Robinson City: Raleigh State: NC County: Wake Join Date: Jul 2006 Age: 47 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Todd:
Travis purchased a very larger phase converter around the time of his Felder acquistion.
Doug
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08-25-2008, 03:06 PM
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Name: Todd City: Hillsborough State: NC County: Orange Join Date: Nov 2006 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Well then that 24" must be priced nicely, because there have been some nice ones on IRS lately.  | |
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08-25-2008, 07:09 PM
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Name: Fern HollowMan City: Franklinton State: NC County: Granville Join Date: Nov 2006 Age: 58 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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TP,
Ya know, one of these days, you might need to sand a full sheet of plywood, so with that consideration, maybe you should hold back and wait to get a good deal on a 49" model. Then again, you may find that you need to run that plywood through "sideways" instead of regular, so let's wait a bit more and get a 97" rig.
I came through Henderson today, and there are some deals on 140,000SF spaces right on US1. Maybe you can persuade your spouse to let you rent/lease one of those closed-up manufacturing plants (No, I don't want to talk about losing jobs overseas) and really set up a nice shop.
I'll help you move your stuff if I can have what falls off my trailer.
Jim
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08-25-2008, 07:53 PM
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#38 | | Vice-President
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Name: Rob City: Hendersonville State: NC County: Henderson Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 66 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Travis, I can recommend a new product that Grizzly introduced at the IWF in Atlanta -- it is a combined planer / belt sander. I know, it is not a Timesaver or a Woodmaster, but it is a solid machine. IIRC, it is 24" wide and either or both planer and belt sander can be engaged at once or independently. It only occupied about 6-8 SF of floor space, too! I'm not sure when it will be available, but it does run on 3-phase power and will cost a bit over $10K, just in case you're interested. Unfortunately, I didn't take a picture of it and there isn't any info on their website yet.
With the small footprint, you'd probably have room for a futon or cot in your shop, too! 
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08-25-2008, 08:01 PM
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Name: Geoff City: Lillington State: NC County: Harnett Join Date: Jan 2008 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Originally Posted by McRabbet  Travis, I can recommend a new product that Grizzly introduced at the IWF in Atlanta -- it is a combined planer / belt sander. I know, it is not a Timesaver or a Woodmaster, but it is a solid machine. IIRC, it is 24" wide and either or both planer and belt sander can be engaged at once or independently. It only occupied about 6-8 SF of floor space, too! I'm not sure when it will be available, but it does run on 3-phase power and will cost a bit over $10K, just in case you're interested. Unfortunately, I didn't take a picture of it and there isn't any info on their website yet.
With the small footprint, you'd probably have room for a futon or cot in your shop, too!
Then your jointer would be too small!! | |
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08-25-2008, 09:16 PM
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Name: Robert City: Matthews State: NC County: Union Join Date: Feb 2007 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Travis,
How much air compressor do you have? The wide belt sanders with pneumatic belt tracking take quiet a bit of air. If you don't have a 3-5hp 80gal compressor you may have to upgrade in the near future. I want to think that the mentioned 37" Timesaver is single phase 220V with belt tracking controlled by a light beam. Air is only used to tension the belt on the sanders with light beams. Anyway, just something to think about and check out before making a decision.
Rob
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08-25-2008, 09:38 PM
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Name: Travis City: Wake Forest State: NC County: Wake Join Date: Dec 2005 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Originally Posted by McRabbet Travis, I can recommend a new product that Grizzly introduced at the IWF in Atlanta -- it is a combined planer / belt sander. I know, it is not a Timesaver or a Woodmaster, but it is a solid machine. IIRC, it is 24" wide and either or both planer and belt sander can be engaged at once or independently. It only occupied about 6-8 SF of floor space, too! I'm not sure when it will be available, but it does run on 3-phase power and will cost a bit over $10K, just in case you're interested. Unfortunately, I didn't take a picture of it and there isn't any info on their website yet.
With the small footprint, you'd probably have room for a futon or cot in your shop, too! $10K would definitively cause a ruckus in my household. There is NO way I can get that, especially after just buying a 20" planer.
__________________ Wife changed my perspective. I need want some additional tools. I need want a
multi-spindle line borer - Found one!!!! Could I? Should I? Do I????
pocket hole machine - unlikely in 2008
Festool sander and vacuum -told I don't need 2 not going to happen
Edge bander - unlikely this decade
oscillating edge sander - unlikely in 2008
floor model chisel or slot mortiser - unlikely in 2008
and a bigger shop - maybe in 2009 | |
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08-25-2008, 10:28 PM
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Name: Mark City: Goldsboro State: NC County: Wayne Join Date: Mar 2006 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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From someone who doesn't think he can afford an 8" jointer:
Methinks the "need" for the sander may be partially driven by the upcoming 842 cabinet doors still to be built. (or was that 40 doors and 30 drawers?). Sounds like that project may be weighing on your mind some, as it is and has been a massive undertaking. If the smaller will do what you need, and you really don't anticipate taking on even bigger endeavors, you may want to err on the side of caution here, until the current project is done and you can re-evaluate what future projects you really want to commit to.
Of course, I don't have a job or the talent to do what you are doing. Just sharing my thoughts. 
Go
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08-25-2008, 10:42 PM
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Name: Greg Bender City: Mooresville State: NC County: Iredell Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 55 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Travis,
now if you need a new compressor,I can help you on that acquistion.Give me a chance to come up and see your new sander and 1 br apartment at Fred's. | |
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08-26-2008, 11:52 AM
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Name: Jerry Byrum City: Windsor State: NC County: Bertie Join Date: Feb 2006 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Travis
It sounds to me like you should get her counter tops and then buy the sander. | |
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08-26-2008, 12:18 PM
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Name: Travis City: Wake Forest State: NC County: Wake Join Date: Dec 2005 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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I hadn't considered the compressed air. I have a 5 hp 60 gallon so I should be ok, but I didn't think it used that much. Thanks for the insight!
__________________ Wife changed my perspective. I need want some additional tools. I need want a
multi-spindle line borer - Found one!!!! Could I? Should I? Do I????
pocket hole machine - unlikely in 2008
Festool sander and vacuum -told I don't need 2 not going to happen
Edge bander - unlikely this decade
oscillating edge sander - unlikely in 2008
floor model chisel or slot mortiser - unlikely in 2008
and a bigger shop - maybe in 2009 | |
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