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11-14-2008, 12:16 PM
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Name: Al City: Newton State: NC County: Catawba Join Date: Jul 2008 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Thanks for the feedback...
the 12/12 pitch is to match that of the house, as i live in a craftsmen style bungalow that is located on a 1/3 of acre in-town lot that was built in 1919. I am not fond of roofing a 12/12 pitch but how many times to you have to do it. i figure i can do it this time and next time i can find a roofer that needs to feed his family to do it. That's what i said after i did the roof on my house and I'll say it again.
The power will be a new service underground as the service to the house will limit me to 60 amps... i believe. Not enough... i am pricing electrical now so I'll know the size soon... getting the service to the building will be no charge so my budget will dictate the size of the breaker box, so if i can find a deal on a 200 amp box that is what it'll get. I know the lights and outlets will be on a separate circuit as i have been in the dark at my fathers shop prior to him separating his lights and outlets.
Right now i don't have any 220 tools but i plan on putting 220 outlets near where i'll place my bandsaw, table saw, and the future homes of my dust collector and air compressor, as i see those being upgraded in the foreseeable future.
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11-14-2008, 12:34 PM
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Name: Jim City: Lexington State: SC County: Lexington Join Date: May 2008 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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With respect to tools and lights on different circuits, it's nice to have more than one lighting circuit. I would even share the circuit with tools to have 2. Rarely would you trip both at the same time. Just a thought... Most of the time, having a window would also help prevent stumbling around.
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11-14-2008, 01:05 PM
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Name: Scott Smith City: New Hill State: NC County: Chatham Join Date: Mar 2007 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Al, if you bring in a new 200A service for the shop, you can always backfeed the house from the new service and save yourself the $10.00 minimum charge from the utility.
Re the 240V circuits, I ran some in my old shop before I located my tools... turns out that I was not able to utilize any of the circuits that I originally put in. If it were me, other than one token circuit in the middle of the shop, I'd consider waiting and running them later. You can always run empty conduit to make it easy to pull wires through the walls later if you want to have hidden wiring. The challenge now is not only where to run them, but also what size wiring to run...
Since you're building from scratch, you might also want to consider a small enclosure on the outside of the building to house a dust collector and an air compressor. it sure is nice to get those noisy machines out of the shop!
Re the 12/12, I know where you're coming from. My house is 12/12, as is a farmhouse remodeling project that I did last year. Roofing them is not for the faint of heart!
200A load centers are fairly inexpensive, and it's cheap now compared to later if you need more power.
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11-14-2008, 02:25 PM
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Name: Phillip City: Charlotte State: NC County: Mecklenburg Join Date: Mar 2007 Age: 27 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Saw this on Charlotte CL http://charlotte.craigslist.org/mat/917755289.html
Might be just what you need.
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11-14-2008, 04:28 PM
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Name: Matt City: Garner State: NC County: Wake Join Date: Jul 2008 Age: 37 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Congratulations on the new shop, and the phenominal wife. My wife has told me more than once to build a shop, unfortunately she can't tell me where to get the money for it.
As far as planning goes, take your time. Go to grizzly.com and use their workshop planner. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, the link is on the left. http://www.grizzly.com/workshopplanner.aspx That tool will help you design the layout and placement of your tools. Granted you can only layout using their tools, but you can get real close to what you have grizzly or not. If you use that tool, you should be able to get a really good idea of where to place dedicated circuits, and how to best optimize your space. Plus it's a really fun dream tool.
Keep us up to date on the design and progress.
Living vicariously through you,
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11-14-2008, 04:51 PM
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Name: Andy City: Cary State: NC County: Wake Join Date: Mar 2008 Age: 50 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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More congratulations! It's still a someday thing for me, though right now the wife is helping me rearrange the garage to get better use of what little space I have. Besides the physical help with organizing, it also means that cabinets, drawers, etc are joint decisions "for the house" and not just "hobby stuff". | |
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11-14-2008, 07:55 PM
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Name: Jimmy Coull City: Clayton State: NC County: Johnston Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 49 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Originally Posted by AndyBarnhart  More congratulations! It's still a someday thing for me, though right now the wife is helping me rearrange the garage to get better use of what little space I have. Besides the physical help with organizing, it also means that cabinets, drawers, etc are joint decisions "for the house" and not just "hobby stuff". Sorry to hijack the thread, but I just realized that Elvis has left the building .gif "Drogar Laugh(DBG)")
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11-14-2008, 10:03 PM
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Name: Andy City: Cary State: NC County: Wake Join Date: Mar 2008 Age: 50 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Originally Posted by JimmyC Sorry to hijack the thread, but I just realized that Elvis has left the building Elvis never left the building... 
See - it's true - you can do anything with duct tape; thank you very much. 
The other Elvis picture was me on Halloween. I won 1st place in "creepiest costume" at work and after seeing it in a few posts I understood why. I gotta avoid the donuts so I don't look like Elvis does now too soon. | |
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11-20-2008, 02:54 PM
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Name: Al City: Newton State: NC County: Catawba Join Date: Jul 2008 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Well i am one step closer...
Today at lunch i pulled my permits and ate a sandwich but not at the same time.
Tonight i will finalize my plans. I have made some design changes. i am looking a less of a pitch and 10' celling. I am looking at installing windows on the south wall, but up high to take advantage of solar gain. the eve overhang will limit the gain to the winter due to the elevation. This is a sketch-up drawing i did. this is close... i have a model with the framing at the house. I like sketch-up. 
Tomorrow i am taking a vacation day and i will be disposing of the tree i removed and ordering the bulk of my materials. | |
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11-20-2008, 04:34 PM
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Name: Roger City: Durham State: NC County: Durham Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 62 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Looks good, Al.
And I like the changes you have implemented. When I bought my "pre-built" shop I failed to notice that the roof overhang was only about 2" 
The larger overhang will serve you well in lots of ways 
Roger
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11-24-2008, 08:39 AM
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Name: Al City: Newton State: NC County: Catawba Join Date: Jul 2008 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Well after three days... i realized that it gets dark way earlier then i thought. 
I got all of my piers finished and i will start working on the floor system Wednesday. Between now and then i need to get some tie downs like they use for mobile homes. I also need to decide if i am going to splurge and purchase rafter truss or if i'll build them myself... i am leaning toward a ridge board and common rafter system as i am working by myself. It's just easier than trying to plan around my hectic schedule.
I'll try to post pictures of the progress so i can prove it happened. | |
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11-24-2008, 08:50 AM
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Name: Scott Smith City: New Hill State: NC County: Chatham Join Date: Mar 2007 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Al, I've done it both ways (built my own versus bought truss-plant trusses). The one's that I built were for a 30' span (building was 30 x 40). I used 1/2" plywood for the gusset plates, and glued and nailed them on both sides.
From a cost perspective, you can usually buy trusses for not much more than the cost of the materials.
From a time perspective, building your own will add some time to your project. However, for a 14' span you could probably use a single board across the bottom, and they could probably be built fairly quickly. My 30 footers took me three weekends to build, and in retrospect I would purchase pre-made ones today if for no other reason to shorten up the total project timeframe.
If it were me, I'd get prices from a couple of different truss companies, and then compare the material costs with what you can do yourself, and then ask yourself if the time savings is worth it. The last set of trusses that I purchased had a 25% difference between prices between different truss companies. Here in the Raleigh area, Stock Builders Supply had the best deal.
Good luck, and congrats on your progress so far!
Scott | |
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11-24-2008, 09:31 AM
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Name: Geoff City: Lillington State: NC County: Harnett Join Date: Jan 2008 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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There is a trade off for saving time on your roof system. Trusses are quicker but, with the truss webs, you will cut down on your available storage space. Common framing allows you to frame an area for a loft space buy using knee walls and a collar tie. Of course, you can order trusses in any configuration but you lose the advntage of speed. | |
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11-29-2008, 02:34 PM
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Name: Brian City: Raleigh State: NC County: Wake Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 40 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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AL, saw this on CL. Don't suppose any of these "surplus" ones would suit your needs? http://www.hbstruss.com/surplustruss.html
Brian.
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11-29-2008, 04:10 PM
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Name: allen City: Plymouth State: NC County: Washington Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 43 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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i built my shop on a slab. 32x32.it looked enoremous when i built it, but it is way too small. i wish it was at least 40x60. mabie i just have too much stuff. i use it for wwing,mechanic shop,and just a place to hang out. probly more time out there than in the house
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