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08-28-2008, 01:27 PM
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Name: Travis City: Wake Forest State: NC County: Wake Join Date: Dec 2005 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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I need some help figuring out how to do something.
I have a phase converter that I have 220 volts 30 amp circuit that I have number 6 wire running to it. It is a Kay industries MA-R and has an on-off switch on the side.
I want to be able to turn it on and off by remote control. I am thinking I need a contactor/relay on the input side of the single phase 220V connection that is rated for a minimum of 220 volts and 40 amps, but what do I do for remote activation?
X10 wireless? My dust collector has a remote control magnetic starter (a key chain remote) and it works well. Can I get one of those? If so, where? Or is there a cheaper alternative?
All advice, suggestions, and comments appreciated.
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08-28-2008, 01:39 PM
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Name: Tom City: Raleigh State: NC County: Wake Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 46 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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If you pick up a relay that the coil is a 110v then you could use a x10 system to power the coil contacts.
What does the converter switch do? Does it break contact on both 220V input wires, or is there an internal relay?
Last edited by toolferone; 08-28-2008 at 01:45 PM.
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08-28-2008, 01:56 PM
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Name: George City: Oxford State: NC County: Granville Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 69 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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I may be off base, but couldn't you use a Long Ranger? My DC is 220V and I plug the Long Ranger box (220V version) into the wall outlet and the DC into the box. The remote turns the box on and off.
George
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08-28-2008, 02:29 PM
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Name: Travis City: Wake Forest State: NC County: Wake Join Date: Dec 2005 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Lone ranger won't handle the amperage I need. I need 30 or 40 amps (can't remember which), and I believe a Lone Ranger at 220 volts tops out at 20 amps.
Tom, I think the contactor is just a fancy name for a relay, but I am not sure. I was thinking along the lines of having an x10 remote do the 110 volt thing to close the relay/contactor to provide current to the phase converter.
__________________ Wife changed my perspective. I need want some additional tools. I need want a
multi-spindle line borer - Found one!!!! Could I? Should I? Do I????
pocket hole machine - unlikely in 2008
Festool sander and vacuum -told I don't need 2 not going to happen
Edge bander - unlikely this decade
oscillating edge sander - unlikely in 2008
floor model chisel or slot mortiser - unlikely in 2008
and a bigger shop - maybe in 2009 | |
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08-28-2008, 06:40 PM
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Name: dino drosas City: Myrtle Beach State: SC County: Horry Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 66 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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If you want it on the infeed side of the phase converter you need a 220v contactor relay with a 110 v coil. Connect the relay in line between the 220v power source and the phase converter. Now you can plug the two wires from the 110v coil into the Long Ranger. The remote will now pick the coil and open or close the relay. Its like magic - on and off. .gif "Drogar Laugh(DBG)")
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08-28-2008, 07:15 PM
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Name: Tom City: Raleigh State: NC County: Wake Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 46 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Looking through Grainger I found this, which I think will work. You would use the X10 to power the coil. http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/5B112  | |
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08-28-2008, 08:43 PM
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Name: Rob City: Hendersonville State: NC County: Henderson Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 66 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Tom has you headed in the right direction -- For my ClearVue Cyclone 5 HP motor control, I'm using a Fasco H230B 30A contactor with 120V coil (under $20) that is triggered by a low cost wireless remote from Ace Hardware that cost about $25. Here is a low cost source for the Fasco H240B (40-amp model) that is less than half the price of the Grainger/SquareD model or if you need 50 amp capacity on your 220V feed, you could use 2 poles of a 3-pole H350B.
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08-29-2008, 08:10 AM
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Name: Travis City: Wake Forest State: NC County: Wake Join Date: Dec 2005 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Between Tom, Rob, and Dino I think I know what to get and to do.
Next question, enclosures, any place for good prices?
__________________ Wife changed my perspective. I need want some additional tools. I need want a
multi-spindle line borer - Found one!!!! Could I? Should I? Do I????
pocket hole machine - unlikely in 2008
Festool sander and vacuum -told I don't need 2 not going to happen
Edge bander - unlikely this decade
oscillating edge sander - unlikely in 2008
floor model chisel or slot mortiser - unlikely in 2008
and a bigger shop - maybe in 2009 | |
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08-29-2008, 10:12 AM
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#9 | | Vice-President
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Name: Rob City: Hendersonville State: NC County: Henderson Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 66 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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My stuff is in Carlon plastic enclosures available at the BORG or Lowe's. I just drilled appropriate holes for the bushings with a Forstner bit. You can also use metal enclosures if you prefer.
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08-29-2008, 10:15 AM
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#10 | | Director
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Name: Tom City: Raleigh State: NC County: Wake Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 46 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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This box is from Radio Shack. | |
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08-29-2008, 08:57 PM
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Name: Travis City: Wake Forest State: NC County: Wake Join Date: Dec 2005 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Rob, what is the difference between the B and the C model? Originally Posted by McRabbet  Tom has you headed in the right direction -- For my ClearVue Cyclone 5 HP motor control, I'm using a Fasco H230B 30A contactor with 120V coil (under $20) that is triggered by a low cost wireless remote from Ace Hardware that cost about $25. Here is a low cost source for the Fasco H240B (40-amp model) that is less than half the price of the Grainger/SquareD model or if you need 50 amp capacity on your 220V feed, you could use 2 poles of a 3-pole H350B.
__________________ Wife changed my perspective. I need want some additional tools. I need want a
multi-spindle line borer - Found one!!!! Could I? Should I? Do I????
pocket hole machine - unlikely in 2008
Festool sander and vacuum -told I don't need 2 not going to happen
Edge bander - unlikely this decade
oscillating edge sander - unlikely in 2008
floor model chisel or slot mortiser - unlikely in 2008
and a bigger shop - maybe in 2009 | |
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08-29-2008, 09:32 PM
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#12 | | Vice-President
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Name: Rob City: Hendersonville State: NC County: Henderson Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 66 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Originally Posted by Travis Porter Rob, what is the difference between the B and the C model? Fasco's contactors come in at least 3 coil voltage versions. An H230A is a 2 pole/30 Amp/24 volt coil; H230B is the same with a 120 volt coil and the H230C has a 240 volt coil. The H350 series are three pole with the same 3 suffix letters in the same three coil voltages. On the link I gave you, you can click on any of them to get more details.
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08-29-2008, 09:35 PM
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Name: Travis City: Wake Forest State: NC County: Wake Join Date: Dec 2005 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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I did click the links, but I didn't catch the difference in coil voltages. Makes total sense to me now and you are right, the price is very good!!! Thanks for the links!
__________________ Wife changed my perspective. I need want some additional tools. I need want a
multi-spindle line borer - Found one!!!! Could I? Should I? Do I????
pocket hole machine - unlikely in 2008
Festool sander and vacuum -told I don't need 2 not going to happen
Edge bander - unlikely this decade
oscillating edge sander - unlikely in 2008
floor model chisel or slot mortiser - unlikely in 2008
and a bigger shop - maybe in 2009 | |
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