Drawer web frame question

[Jeff Mills]

Looking for advise on gluing a web frame to a cabinet side, All species are solid wood, same species, same log even. The picture shows a sliding dovetail but mine will be a standard old dado. Do I have this right?



Thanks

[Ken Massingale]

A good article on wood movement as related to cabinets. Web frames are on page 4 of the PDF.

[Joe Scharle]

Jeff, your pic shows 2/3 of my process. I also don't glue the back rail and cut the stiles to leave about 3/16 - 1/4 from the rear rabbet. My drawers never hit the back either.
For dressers, the cutout in the back panel (for hand access), includes one of the back rails for lifting. When I remember , I glue a reinforcing block above that rail.

[DavidF]

Originally Posted by Jeff Mills

Looking for advise on gluing a web frame to a cabinet side, All species are solid wood, same species, same log even. The picture shows a sliding dovetail but mine will be a standard old dado. Do I have this right?



Thanks

Looks good to me. Go on, try the sliding dovetail, it's actually the right solution if you are going straight in to the sides like that. The DT resists the side attempting to bow out, whereas your dado will be glued only on the end grain of the cross piece, never a good thing. On the router table it really is a piece of cake.

[Jeff Mills]

Originally Posted by DavidF

Looks good to me. Go on, try the sliding dovetail, it's actually the right solution if you are going straight in to the sides like that. The DT resists the side attempting to bow out, whereas your dado will be glued only on the end grain of the cross piece, never a good thing. On the router table it really is a piece of cake.

David, I already cut the dado's in the cabinet sides but I promise you, next cabinet I build I will attempt sliding dovetails.

Thanks for the reply

[DavidF]

Ah, pity. Any room for a small block underneath that front rail? a small 1/2" square block glued to the underside of the rail and the side of the cabinet would give you a stronger long grain - long grain glue joint to the sides and the rail is not wide enough to worry about cross grain construction with the block. Just a thought.

[Travis Porter]

I agree with everyone, but I personally like web frames with "dust panels". that way, stuff from one drawer doesn't interfere with another drawer when it gets "over stuffed". Not that it happens in my household.

[DavidF]

Good point Travis.

Piece of cardboard stuck to the web does the job if you forget to build it in

[Joe Scharle]

Forgot I had this pic, Jeff. But you can see the sliding DTs. On this particular example, the drawer top kickers were glued to the end panels and provide support to the dust frames. I make the DT slots in the frame members, then use the web frame stiles to mark the panel dado slots. Remove the panel, cut the dados and the panel snaps back into place.[IMG]file:///C:/Users/COMPAQ%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-10.png[/IMG]


I use this to cut the dados.



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[Jeff Mills]

Originally Posted by Joe Scharle

Hi Joe and thanks for the pics I would like to make that jig, been meaning to for a long time do you have any plans you can point me to?

[Joe Scharle]

Used to be in the tips forum, but looks like it's gone now.
However, I have the mag (Shopnotes 76). They sell the plan online. I've tried to email the pages but I've been told they aren't clear enough to work from.

Anyway, I have 2; one for a 5/16 bit (for 5/16 to 31/64) and another for a 1/2 straight bit (for 1/2 to 3+") or 1/2 dovetail bit for sliding DTs.
Both clamp up to 32". Wide enough to dado both sides of a bookcase in one pass, then rip the 2 sides apart. Cuts rabbets too!.

[FredP]

jeff, I have shopnotes 76 in pdf format if you want to look at it. too big to e-mail though.

[Ken Massingale]

Originally Posted by FredP

jeff, I have shopnotes 76 in pdf format if you want to look at it. too big to e-mail though.

Nah, you two boys get yoself Gmail accounts for sending big files Fred. :-0