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08-19-2009, 10:19 PM
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#1 | | Question for discussion Name: Mark City: Spruce Pine State: NC County: Mitchell Join Date: Jun 2008  08-19-2009, 10:19 PM
I was in the new Wine Store the other day trying to sell some Stoppers.( I got a commissipon spot BTW), the shop owner ask so are you an artist? I was stunned as she looked at my samples. I stood there not nowing what to say, Finaly I said no I am just a guy who likes to play in the sawdust. When she said artist it brought images of Sawdusters work as well as most of you other guys. So My question is are you an artist? Thank You for your thoughts.
Mark
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08-19-2009, 10:31 PM
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Name: Ken City: Liberty State: SC County: Anderson Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 63 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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IMHO it's not for an individual to decide if the results of their efforts is art, it's for those who see what has been made to decide. |  
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08-19-2009, 10:35 PM
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Name: Mark City: Spruce Pine State: NC County: Mitchell Join Date: Jun 2008 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Ken I agree but(you know theres always a but) what do you call yourself? I am partial to hobbyist.
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08-19-2009, 10:41 PM
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Name: Rob City: Hendersonville State: NC County: Henderson Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 67 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Remember that the customer (or in this case the merchant) perceives that you are an artist, even though you believe you are just a hobbyist. Don't sell yourself short, because perception is the reality in this case, so take advantage of it and agreee with her! You might think it is easy to make your product, but the person that wants to buy them sees them in that different light that adds considerable value. In fact, you are an artist or if you prefer a better term, an artisan.
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08-19-2009, 10:45 PM
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Name: Ken City: Liberty State: SC County: Anderson Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 63 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Originally Posted by McRabbet  Remember that the customer (or in this case the merchant) perceives that you are an artist, even though you believe you are just a hobbyist. Don't sell yourself short, because perception is the reality in this case, so take advantage of it and agreee with her! You might think it is easy to make your product, but the person that wants to buy them sees them in that different light that adds considerable value. In fact, you are an artist or if you prefer a better term, an artisan. Yeah, artisan, that feels better, and you're right Rob, about the perception. | |
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08-19-2009, 11:02 PM
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Name: Mike City: Westfield State: NC County: Stokes Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 52 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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I have been a professional commercial artist/designer since I was 17 years old. Never worked full time in any other capacity since then. Even while I was training and trouble shooting in the computer industry it was as a textile designer.
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08-19-2009, 11:05 PM
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Name: Matt City: Morehead City State: NC County: Carteret Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 60 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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This thread reminds me of a quote from William Morris, the generally acknowledged founder of the Arts and Crafts movement.
"Time was when the mystery and wonder of of handicrafts were well acknowledged by the world, when imagination and fancy mingled with all things made by man; and in those days all craftsmen were artists."
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08-19-2009, 11:05 PM
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Name: Gary City: Raleigh State: NC County: Wake Join Date: Sep 2008 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Yes Sir we are indeed Artisans, or even Craftsman, don't ever forget that not everyone does this There is an artform to making anything by hand. Yes the perception is and as it should be that it is art, but like all art the significance is up to the beholder.
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08-20-2009, 12:41 AM
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Name: DaveO City: Clayton State: NC County: Johnston Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 39 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Getcha a bennie...then you're an Artist.
A Ballcap would work to...if you present yourself right.
Dave 
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08-20-2009, 09:27 AM
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Name: Andy City: Cary State: NC County: Wake Join Date: Mar 2008 Age: 50 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Originally Posted by Ken Massingale IMHO it's not for an individual to decide if the results of their efforts is art, it's for those who see what has been made to decide. Wow, I could not disagree more. If I make something expressive and you don't care for it, it isn't art? What other people think might determine whether or not there are financial rewards to art, but not whether it is art or not IMO. | |
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08-20-2009, 09:27 AM
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Name: Dan City: Lincolnton State: NC County: Lincoln Join Date: Jun 2009 Age: 40 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Not being one myself I would definitely call a lot of you guys artists.
When I see some of the pics of bowls, stoppers, scroll work etc. IMO there is no better word for it. It's amazing art and the creator an amazing artist.
Even some furniture crosses over to me, although in general I'd consider furniture created by a craftsman more so than an artist.
My .02 cents. 
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08-20-2009, 09:55 AM
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Name: Ken City: Liberty State: SC County: Anderson Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 63 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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Originally Posted by CarvedTones Wow, I could not disagree more. If I make something expressive and you don't care for it, it isn't art? What other people think might determine whether or not there are financial rewards to art, but not whether it is art or not IMO. You make a good point Andy. I guess I should have worded it more to address those who refer to themselves as an artist regardless if others consider their work deserving.
And I'm not addressing any member of this forum, I simply have an issue in general with folks who are on an ego trip. | |
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08-20-2009, 09:55 AM
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Name: Trent Mason City: Wrightsville Beach State: NC County: New Hanover Join Date: Feb 2008 Age: 29 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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"He (Sam Maloof) was described by the Smithsonian Institution as "America's most renowned contemporary furniture craftsman" and People magazine dubbed him "The Hemingway of Hardwood." But his business card always said " woodworker." "I like the word," he told a Los Angeles Times reporter, his eyes brightening behind large, owl-eyed glass frames. "It's an honest word."
As has been mentioned before, art is a perception. If you perceive your work as art, then that is what it is, to you, but it may not be the case for everyone else. It is different for every person, for me, I consider myself a woodworker.  If I make a piece and you think it's art and want to call me an artist, that's fine with me. If you think it's crap and you want to call me a moron, that's fine too. .gif "Drogar Laugh(DBG)")
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08-20-2009, 09:58 AM
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Name: Ken City: Liberty State: SC County: Anderson Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 63 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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If I make a piece and you think it's art and want to call me an artist, that's fine with me. If you think it's crap and you want to call me a moron, that's fine too.
Wouldn't that be Crapper instead of moron Trent? | |
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08-20-2009, 10:07 AM
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Name: Fred City: franklinton State: nc County: franklin Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 52 Avg Visit Freq/Week
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most of the true artists are dead! there for I choose to not be an artist.  | |
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